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Charles the Twit - Islam will save the planet - 6/10/2010 12:24:31 PM
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backrowbaptist
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It seems that the future head of The Church Of England has been studying The Koran and has concluded that the only way to save the planet is to embrace Islam.
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'Follow the Islamic way to save the world,' Prince Charles urges environmentalists.
Prince Charles yesterday urged the world to follow Islamic 'spiritual principles' in order to protect the environment.
In an hour-long speech, the heir to the throne argued that man's destruction of the world was contrary to the scriptures of all religions - but particularly those of Islam.
He said the current 'division' between man and nature had been caused not just by industrialisation, but also by our attitude to the environment - which goes against the grain of 'sacred traditions'.
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A couple of selected comments on the article;
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charles' comments did not go down well after i read in the same edition that the taliban - good, practicing muslims no doubt - tried and hung a seven year old child for spying.
I couldn't find the story referred to.
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I do hope the Queen sticks around for another 30 or so years.
Or, more pointedly (and British)
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rubbish
It would seem that Euope's demise is not only financial, it's spiritual. But then we knew that.
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RE: Charles the Twit - Islam will save the planet - 6/10/2010 8:13:30 PM
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tacitus
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First, here is the link to the whole text of the speech (and a YouTube video of the entire thing):
http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/speechesandarticles/a_speech_by_hrh_the_prince_of_wales_titled_islam_and_the_env_252516346.html
What first stands out is the Daily Mail's dishonest headline---'Follow the Islamic way to save the world'---In quotes, attributed to Prince Charles, as if he said that directly in his speech. He didn't.
The Daily Mail's implication is that he said we need follow Islam to save the world, but that's not what he means at all.
Now, I agree that Prince Charles is a twit, but he's not a Muslim twit, he's an ecumenical twit. This speech was given to a group of Muslims, so he used a lot of examples and references that Muslims would understand in his message about saving the environment. I guarantee you that he could give that same speech to Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, or Mormons, and replace the Muslim references with references from the Bible, Torah, Book of Mormon, or whatever the holy book and/or historical tradition of the religious group he was speaking to adhered to.
I skimmed the speech, and essentially all he is saying is that we can only save the environment if we maintain a spiritual attachment to nature. He argues that this is part of the Muslim tradition in this speech (I have no idea if it really is or not) and he argues the same thing when he's talking to Christians too. That's what he does. He has long stated that he believes there is truth to all religions, thus his speech is merely his attempt to find some truth in Islam regarding the environment.
(Disclaimer --- I don't hold his views on any of this, I am merely trying to report his views more accurately than the Daily Mail seems to want to)
As for the comment about the Taliban --- considering his son spent some time in Afghanistan helping in the fight against the Taliban (until his cover was blown and he had to leave), I hardly think Charles has any sympathies at all towards those Islamic extremists.
I'm no fan of Prince Charles, and couldn't care less about whether he becomes King or not. The royal family is only useful in two ways as far as I am concerned -- they bring in the tourist dollars and it means we don't have to have a President as Head of State.
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RE: Charles the Twit - Islam will save the planet - 6/16/2010 1:33:42 AM
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sirmixalot
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The only way to save this planet is for all religions to become very moderate
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RE: Charles the Twit - Islam will save the planet - 6/16/2010 2:51:54 PM
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ORIGINAL: sirmixalot
The only way to save this planet is for all religions to become very moderate
Would you be so kind as to explain what you mean by becoming moderate?
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RE: Charles the Twit - Islam will save the planet - 6/18/2010 9:24:33 AM
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tacitus
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Well any moderation would be welcome, but getting to approximately where religion is in the USA today in the rest of the world would be an excellent goal:
-- no injury, taking or life, or imprisonment as the result of one's religious beliefs
-- no imposition of religious tenets or beliefs by government writ or threat of force
-- freedom of speech on religious matters (with limits concerning incitement to violence, of course)
In other words, you want a world where religions compete with each other on the playing field of ideas without the threat of force in any direction.
Pipe dream, I know.
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RE: Charles the Twit - Islam will save the planet - 6/20/2010 9:14:34 AM
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Well any moderation would be welcome, but getting to approximately where religion is in the USA today in the rest of the world would be an excellent goal:
-- no injury, taking or life, or imprisonment as the result of one's religious beliefs
-- no imposition of religious tenets or beliefs by government writ or threat of force
-- freedom of speech on religious matters (with limits concerning incitement to violence, of course)
In other words, you want a world where religions compete with each other on the playing field of ideas without the threat of force in any direction.
Pipe dream, I know.
well said. This is an excellent example of moderation.
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RE: Charles the Twit - Islam will save the planet - 7/1/2010 11:22:15 AM
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Oh! Then perhaps someone should have told Jesus to be more moderate. Perhaps He wouldn't have made anyone angry with Him and He and His disciples wouldn't have had to die.
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RE: Charles the Twit - Islam will save the planet - 7/1/2010 11:30:31 AM
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I understand what Charles is saying. I didn't watch the video but I know what he means by the Muslims being kinder to the environment. How many Muslims own large corporations that dispose of chemical waste in waterways? I don't think it is a conscious decision to protect the environment but a lifestyle which has not changed much since the , was it the sixth century? And that is true of a lot of cultures, not just Muslim. It is a purer lifestyle. But those who live the purer lifestyle also reap the rewards of industrialization. So I'd only give them real credit when it comes to their food and perhaps less use of electricity in their homes.
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RE: Charles the Twit - Islam will save the planet - 7/2/2010 12:15:40 PM
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What are you talking about Milliecat? Do you know how much of the US economy is owned by the Saudis and other Muslim magnates, and not to mention how much of the world's oil production and the resulting pollution?
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RE: Charles the Twit - Islam will save the planet - 7/2/2010 12:18:25 PM
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Oh! Then perhaps someone should have told Jesus to be more moderate. Perhaps He wouldn't have made anyone angry with Him and He and His disciples wouldn't have had to die.
So tell me which of the following is a mistaken goal:
-- no injury, taking or life, or imprisonment as the result of one's religious beliefs
-- no imposition of religious tenets or beliefs by government writ or threat of force
-- freedom of speech on religious matters (with limits concerning incitement to violence, of course)
You really want people killing others for their religious beliefs, and government silencing religious speech or locking people up for not following the right religion??
And since when did Jesus do or even advocate any of those things?
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RE: Charles the Twit - Islam will save the planet - 7/11/2010 7:32:21 PM
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ORIGINAL: tacitus
What are you talking about Milliecat? Do you know how much of the US economy is owned by the Saudis and other Muslim magnates, and not to mention how much of the world's oil production and the resulting pollution?
The Saudis may own huge corporations (I don't know) but do you really think they developed the technology used in those corporations? I doubt it. As for oil, where do they dispose of any waste from oil production? And as far as I am concerned, the oil is drilled from rigs out in the desert, away from the civilian population.
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RE: Charles the Twit - Islam will save the planet - 7/11/2010 7:50:42 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: tacitus
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ORIGINAL: Milliecat
Oh! Then perhaps someone should have told Jesus to be more moderate. Perhaps He wouldn't have made anyone angry with Him and He and His disciples wouldn't have had to die.
So tell me which of the following is a mistaken goal:
-- no injury, taking or life, or imprisonment as the result of one's religious beliefs
-- no imposition of religious tenets or beliefs by government writ or threat of force
-- freedom of speech on religious matters (with limits concerning incitement to violence, of course)
You really want people killing others for their religious beliefs, and government silencing religious speech or locking people up for not following the right religion??
And since when did Jesus do or even advocate any of those things?
I wasn't responding to your specific comments. I was responding to the idea of religions to be more moderate. If we are lukewarm, He will spit us out of His mouth. I view a "moderate" church as one where members come weekly but are not on fire for Jesus. You see, moderate is what our government wants. Some Christians were arrested recently in this country for handing out tracts in front of a Mosque.
I guess I don't understand what people here want. One either loves Jesus or one doesn't. How would one witness to an unbeliever in "moderate" terms? What about those "moderate" terms would speak to the unbeliever's heart? Perhaps I'm not understanding?
Jesus was not moderate in His teachings. He told the truth and taught us how to live. He stood up to the Pharisees and those who worked against Him. If He'd been moderate, He might not have been crucified, but He also might not have been effective.
I don't believe in killing over religious differences or in government intrusion into our religious beliefs. I simply am saying that Jesus, in my opinion, was not moderate and I try to be like Him as much as I am able.
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