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Have any of you ever heard of... - 3/5/2010 1:11:22 PM
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bettymackII
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Frank Marotta? ( he is quoted by Dr. Thomas Ice).
Is he a member of the Plymouth Brethren? a Bible teacher?
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who is Frank Marotta? - 3/6/2010 10:13:18 AM
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bettymackII
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Is he a prophecy speaker?
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RE: who is Frank Marotta? - 3/6/2010 12:49:11 PM
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Google tells me he appears to be a prophecy teacher who takes a Rapture, premillenial stance; also he seems to be involved in some online argument with someone named Dave MacPherson, who is rapidly anti-Rapture and anti-premillenial. In other words, two Christian brothers publically skewering each other. That's about all I cared to see ... or know.
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RE: who is Frank Marotta? - 3/19/2010 2:15:35 AM
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This increasingly bitter debate about the timeing of the Rapture is really starting to stink. Unless they actually believe that a variation in eschatology rises to the level of heresy it can only be motivated by power lust and pride.
I have wondered though if many pre-trib preachers like it because it is a feel good message, you know just do the best you can and then Jesus will come back and save you from anything like too little fun, or a dwindling 401k or something. So therefore because preachers know the people want to hear it they preach it. Just a theory. Another theory is that an eschatology that leaves the church of America in the world to face any real struggles suggests we in America might actually be called on to live out the gospel, the real gospel, we might actually have to risk losing some of our freedoms and entitlements to stand against evil in our time. And of course some who believe in mid- pre-wrath, post-trib etc. do so for wrong reasons to.
I have heard of Ice and I personally do not have any time for someone who thinks eschatology is so important that Christians should give their hard earned money to an institute for the study of pre-trib rapture.
We need to get back to the real gospel and the real promises of that gospel.
I saw John MacArthur on Kirk Cameron's show the other day and I agreed with his hard hitting gospel message. At a base level if we are not willing to lose everything to gain Christ we are not worthy of him. Everything includes career, pastorate, wife, kids, food, clothing, health,...all of it. Coming to that place does not mean we will lose any of it, but it means we do finally have our priorities right.
The end times carry with them a purification of the church, so I have no doubt that it won't take long before we know the difference again between those who fear God and those who only pay Him lip service.
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RE: who is Frank Marotta? - 3/19/2010 9:45:45 AM
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Montana Marv
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quote:
ORIGINAL: agapeflight
This increasingly bitter debate about the timeing of the Rapture is really starting to stink. Unless they actually believe that a variation in eschatology rises to the level of heresy it can only be motivated by power lust and pride.
I have wondered though if many pre-trib preachers like it because it is a feel good message, you know just do the best you can and then Jesus will come back and save you from anything like too little fun, or a dwindling 401k or something. So therefore because preachers know the people want to hear it they preach it. Just a theory. Another theory is that an eschatology that leaves the church of America in the world to face any real struggles suggests we in America might actually be called on to live out the gospel, the real gospel, we might actually have to risk losing some of our freedoms and entitlements to stand against evil in our time. And of course some who believe in mid- pre-wrath, post-trib etc. do so for wrong reasons to.
I have heard of Ice and I personally do not have any time for someone who thinks eschatology is so important that Christians should give their hard earned money to an institute for the study of pre-trib rapture.
We need to get back to the real gospel and the real promises of that gospel.
I saw John MacArthur on Kirk Cameron's show the other day and I agreed with his hard hitting gospel message. At a base level if we are not willing to lose everything to gain Christ we are not worthy of him. Everything includes career, pastorate, wife, kids, food, clothing, health,...all of it. Coming to that place does not mean we will lose any of it, but it means we do finally have our priorities right.
The end times carry with them a purification of the church, so I have no doubt that it won't take long before we know the difference again between those who fear God and those who only pay Him lip service.
Agapefight
I agree with what you are saying to a point. If one is pre-trib, the final 7 years is focused on the purification of Israel and not the Church. The Bride is being purified at this time. It has been so over the last 1980 years. So a future time of extraordinary persecution would have no bearing on ones salvation. As persecution goes on today. But the Holy Spirit does need to be removed at some point so the A/C can have his free reign. You do see what goes on with some of these threads. A lot of very different end time scenarios all based on scripture for support. There are about seven major different views with many variations off of them.
Pre-Trib, Mid-Trib, Pre-Wrath, Post-Trib, No Rapture, Perterist, Amillenalism.
It can become a quagmire with all these different approaches.
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RE: who is Frank Marotta? - 3/25/2010 11:09:48 AM
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It is all vanity...
We are not to engage ourselves with the end times (plural), we are to keep our eye single. The only place thereof, is, the last day (singular) where there is only light.
Mt 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
Lu 11:34 The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness.
Notice in Gen. that there was darkness and God said "Let there be light...". The first message given to us by God the Father of Lights, a God who is Light, was "Let there be light...". Isa. 45:7 God said, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." — God created the darkness prior to forming the Light. We are to keep our eye (singular) on the Light. In the Kingdom, the Son of God, the Lamb, is the Light and the Glory of God. Moreover, all things were created in Him. It is there, and only there, that our eye can be single — the end "times" (plural) are evil and full of darkness and theological separation. I believe all should live in the Light where there is no death. How can we get there, in the Light, if we continue to dwell on and in the darkness of times — I praise God that I live in the eternal Light. I have been raised with Christ and my labor is that all will live in the Light of God the Father, who is His Son, Christ Jesus. I see no death there...
Gen 1:
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
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RE: who is Frank Marotta? - 3/25/2010 11:23:57 AM
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ORIGINAL: agapeflight
This increasingly bitter debate about the timeing of the Rapture is really starting to stink. Unless they actually believe that a variation in eschatology rises to the level of heresy it can only be motivated by power lust and pride.
I have wondered though if many pre-trib preachers like it because it is a feel good message, you know just do the best you can and then Jesus will come back and save you from anything like too little fun, or a dwindling 401k or something. So therefore because preachers know the people want to hear it they preach it. Just a theory. Another theory is that an eschatology that leaves the church of America in the world to face any real struggles suggests we in America might actually be called on to live out the gospel, the real gospel, we might actually have to risk losing some of our freedoms and entitlements to stand against evil in our time. And of course some who believe in mid- pre-wrath, post-trib etc. do so for wrong reasons to.
I have heard of Ice and I personally do not have any time for someone who thinks eschatology is so important that Christians should give their hard earned money to an institute for the study of pre-trib rapture.
We need to get back to the real gospel and the real promises of that gospel.
I saw John MacArthur on Kirk Cameron's show the other day and I agreed with his hard hitting gospel message. At a base level if we are not willing to lose everything to gain Christ we are not worthy of him. Everything includes career, pastorate, wife, kids, food, clothing, health,...all of it. Coming to that place does not mean we will lose any of it, but it means we do finally have our priorities right.
The end times carry with them a purification of the church, so I have no doubt that it won't take long before we know the difference again between those who fear God and those who only pay Him lip service.
Wonderful post Agape. Early in my Christian life i was a premil-rapturist, always scanning the news for anything that would hint at the furtherance of prophecy. I was in a group for years that would take any news that was even remotely connected to any of that and make more of it than there was. Any news story concerning temple utensils, red heifers and the like would send shivers through us. It really came down to this: We are Americans and we're special and we dont want to suffer, and the rapture is perfect for that!. Too many years spent looking for that holy escape shuttle, and not enough on the business at hand. Persecution and suffering will come to us as well, and that is not a bad thing for the Church.
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