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What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008?
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| ORU's Financial Issues/Richard and Lindsay Roberts |
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| Todd Bentley and The "Outpourings" |
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| The Whites Bankruptcy and The Weeks Eviction |
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| Billy Graham Turns 90 |
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| Robert A. Vs. Robert H. Schuller |
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| The Victoria Osteen Trial |
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| Women Pastors Magazine Cover Banned by SBC Bookstores |
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| Ed Young's Campaign For Married Couples |
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| The Passings of Christopher Laurie and Maria Chapman |
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| Timothy White Tragedy |
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What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008? - 11/23/2008 3:03:35 AM
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gaylel1
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Which of these stories (and others) brought impact in the body of Christ this year?
First, the stories I thought was the biggest church stories which involved the body of Christ was...
1. Bankrupcy of the Church Without Walls and the eviction of Destiny Global Center..
Both churches and its pastors were in a center of divorces. The Church W/o Walls filed for bankruptcy while Destiny Global Center, its pastor (Weeks) was evicted from their property this past weeks.
2. ORU's financial troubles
ORU and its former president was on a spending spree. His wife was involved too. One of the ex-employees blew the whistle on them which resulting in his letting go and the employee filed a suit against the university. This week, ORU is laying off teachers and staff, but they gave ex-chairman Roberts severance pay.
3. Todd Bentley and his outpourings..
What can I say about this man--False prophet, and a sham if you ask me.
4. Billy Graham turns 90...
Billy turned 90 a few weeks ago. Even though he's inactive from preaching, he is still writing books and also still ministring.
5. Deaths of Various people in the body..
The body was rocked this past summer when Christopher Laurie, Son of Greg Laurie was killed in a automoblie accident. Greg has been telling his story on how he is dealing with his greif and he's invited us into his world. Many of us in the body are loving on him and giving him hugs and those hugs are keeping his family going. Also Maria Chapman, adopted daughter of Steven Curtis Chapman was accidently killed by her brother. She was only 5 years old when she got killed. The Chapman family is also coming to grips regarding what have happened.
Prayers are for both.
But what are the other stories which had an impact on the church which I've overlooked?
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RE: What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008? - 11/23/2008 3:37:42 PM
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what seemed the biggest most covered to me was all the coverage surrounding the gay marriage controversy, particularly in california. Christians seem to be very fearful that if homosexual marriage is legalized christians will lose their freedoms. The main fear seems to be that churches will be forced to marry homosexuals and if not face consequences and at worst be forced to close down rather than violate their principles. Also this represents part of christians beliefs that the church is under attack by secular forces and ultimately satan.
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RE: What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008? - 11/23/2008 3:52:47 PM
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Which of these stories (and others) brought impact in the body of Christ this year?
Gail, may I respectfully say the body of Christ spans the world. Since nearly all these incidents were specific to the U.S., I doubt if any of them affected the believers in say, Timbuktu. Other than Billy Graham, most Christians world-wide would have no idea who most of these people are which, may I say, considering most of those in your poll, is fortunate for them.
I, personally, have absolutely no idea who Timothy White is or was.
P.S. I know someone is going to come along and make the point that when one part of the body hurts, we all hurt, but I think I'll stick by my view on this anyhow. 
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RE: What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008? - 11/23/2008 6:21:58 PM
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Well I would say that the exposure of the Rev. Wrights Church to the world would rank right up there with the top.
Many many folks say what is passed off as Chruch and Biblical sermons that they would have nerver thought would take place in a "Church".
It brought a discussion of "Black Liberation theology" to the dinner tables, office water coolers, and Chruces of a large segment of Christiandom, especially here in the States.
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RE: What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008? - 11/23/2008 7:16:55 PM
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Which of these stories (and others) brought impact in the body of Christ this year?
Gail, may I respectfully say the body of Christ spans the world. Since nearly all these incidents were specific to the U.S., I doubt if any of them affected the believers in say, Timbuktu. Other than Billy Graham, most Christians world-wide would have no idea who most of these people are which, may I say, considering most of those in your poll, is fortunate for them.
I, personally, have absolutely no idea who Timothy White is or was.
P.S. I know someone is going to come along and make the point that when one part of the body hurts, we all hurt, but I think I'll stick by my view on this anyhow.
Kat, I'm sorry if I did not explain futher, but Timothy Wright is a well-known gospel singer who is very, very popular in the gospel music industry. His last top ten hit was last year, when he recorded, "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus," which was a tribute to the Katrina victims. He was involved in an accident which was involving a wrong way driver and the accident claimed the life of his wife, Betty and his Grandson, DJ. But Wright was injured and right now he is trying to regain strenght in his legs and his back. He is presently in a rehbiltation facilty.
This story was on Fox news web site several months ago.
There are many other stories that was also around the world as well like the perucution of Christians, especially in India, where it has been most prevelent. Many of the people there are being killed for their faith because they are standing up for their christianity.
That is something to think about in America where places, especially here in California with this Prop 8 controversy--if the supreme court overturns it, pastors may risk going to jail because of standing up for truth or radio and/or televison broadcasts, when they have to yield to equal time.
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RE: What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008? - 11/23/2008 8:00:41 PM
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pastors may risk going to jail because of standing up for truth
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All those churches have to do is give up their tax exemptions (501(c)3's)....
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RE: What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008? - 11/23/2008 9:10:22 PM
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I didn't vote.
I think the biggest church story of the year is about JESUS. \o/\o/\o/
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RE: What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008? - 11/24/2008 1:31:48 AM
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to follow up on christians fears about homosexuals marrying effecting churches. It seems a strong precident has already been set in the area of churches religious freedoms. Speaking for the united states the non-discrimination/equal opportunity emplyment act has been pretty firmly in place for quite awhile now.
Evidently churches must be exempt from being forced to hire homosexuals. Surely if this wernt true there would have been coverage of any church that has. Personally i have never heard of such a case,
this might be an interesting topic for another thread
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RE: What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008? - 11/24/2008 12:38:28 PM
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I think the biggest church story of the year is about JESUS. \o/\o/\o/
OK, that's a cute answer. So, please help those of us who were too stupid to see it -- what about Jesus made the headlines this year?
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RE: What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008? - 11/24/2008 3:20:38 PM
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pastors may risk going to jail because of standing up for truth
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All those churches have to do is give up their tax exemptions (501(c)3's)....
I think most don't realize that the 501(c)3 is becoming a ward of the state.
I had so much hindrances from trying to file when we started out ten years ago.
When I realized what that meant, I gave thanks that we were unable to make
the thing happen.
And you are right. Just give it up and become a church again.
Not a nonprofit organization.
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RE: What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008? - 11/24/2008 3:38:35 PM
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pastors may risk going to jail because of standing up for truth
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All those churches have to do is give up their tax exemptions (501(c)3's)....
I think most don't realize that the 501(c)3 is becoming a ward of the state.
I had so much hindrances from trying to file when we started out ten years ago.
When I realized what that meant, I gave thanks that we were unable to make
the thing happen.
And you are right. Just give it up and become a church again.
Not a nonprofit organization.
And then they'll arrest you for hate speech because you don't qualify as a church.
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RE: What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008? - 11/24/2008 3:48:48 PM
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You are right about that.
I only say what the Bible says, and in this environment,
that is deemed "hate speech."
I am narrow minded only because God is narrow minded.
There is only ONE WAY to a relationship with God.
And that is Jesus Christ. That lets out all the "roads to heaven."
Are we prepared to give our lives or spend time in jail.
It may be a more real possibility than most realize.
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RE: What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008? - 11/24/2008 3:51:44 PM
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I had to come back and vote. lol.
I just whizzed over it before. But, realized that Lakeland
was the big event for me personally. Because through that
my eyes were opened to everything up to that event. The
false teachings, prophecies, etc. that so many still follow after.
But that one event with the help of the brethren here revealed
where it all came from and what went on before it was no different.
There was "good" in it for me because I am so much more informed
and equipped to "judge." And for those that don't understand nor
like the term judge, just insert "discern."
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RE: What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008? - 11/24/2008 11:09:26 PM
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I think the biggest church story of the year is about JESUS. \o/\o/\o/
OK, that's a cute answer. So, please help those of us who were too stupid to see it -- what about Jesus made the headlines this year?
Personally I am not willing to succumb to the 'media' and what they say is newsworthy, KWIM? I have not watched television in nine years. As far as I am concerned, Jesus is the main event of each and every year, each and every day and if Jesus is not the biggest church story of the year, what are we doing calling ourselves the church???
He probably won't make the headlines. The humble usually don't.
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RE: What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008? - 11/25/2008 1:52:41 AM
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He probably won't make the headlines. The humble usually don't.
Good answer. We are indeed too often gulled by those who would be our godless mentors. The typical newspaper is a little red catechism on the glories of marxism.
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RE: What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008? - 11/27/2008 4:03:47 PM
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While I understand the newsmedia is a "bad" influence on Christians, has it ever occoured to you guys to pray for people who make the news, especially in those countries which denonce Christianity and suffering over the world? India is one example. Like I said before, it has been a hot spot as far as percution against Christians is concerned.
For example, I recieved something in my e-mail that another pastor was beaten up severely.And what is going on there, especially on Thanksgiving would make people get on their knees and pray for that country.
I'ts no better with what people call our "Christian leaders." Yes, take people who run ministries which run out of greed, unsound docterine and"Personality Driven", for example. These people want to be "the world", but their messages distort the real message of Christianity.
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RE: What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008? - 11/27/2008 5:48:19 PM
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I have never heard of some of those people listed... so I guess their impact would be little to none...but the oral roberts/money issue is one I am familiar with...and hope is investigated fully....it is incidents like that one that makes a bad name for everyone.
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RE: What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008? - 11/27/2008 7:24:04 PM
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I have never heard of some of those people listed...
Wow, really?! Are you in the U.S.?
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RE: What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008? - 11/27/2008 7:37:21 PM
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While I understand the newsmedia is a "bad" influence on Christians, has it ever occoured to you guys to pray for people who make the news, especially in those countries which denonce Christianity and suffering over the world? India is one example. Like I said before, it has been a hot spot as far as percution against Christians is concerned.
For example, I recieved something in my e-mail that another pastor was beaten up severely.And what is going on there, especially on Thanksgiving would make people get on their knees and pray for that country.
I'ts no better with what people call our "Christian leaders." Yes, take people who run ministries which run out of greed, unsound docterine and"Personality Driven", for example. These people want to be "the world", but their messages distort the real message of Christianity.
i agree....pls pray for those who have found the Truth in Jesus and left Islam.
http://www.barnabasfund.org/news/news_02.php
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RE: What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008? - 11/29/2008 10:13:40 AM
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i agree....pls pray for those who have found the Truth in Jesus and left Islam.
70% of those who come to Christ in Muslim countries return to Islam. See this blog for thoughts on that topic ...
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RE: What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008? - 11/29/2008 6:14:12 PM
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While I understand the newsmedia is a "bad" influence on Christians, has it ever occoured to you guys to pray for people who make the news, especially in those countries which denonce Christianity and suffering over the world? India is one example. Like I said before, it has been a hot spot as far as percution against Christians is concerned.
For example, I recieved something in my e-mail that another pastor was beaten up severely.And what is going on there, especially on Thanksgiving would make people get on their knees and pray for that country.
I'ts no better with what people call our "Christian leaders." Yes, take people who run ministries which run out of greed, unsound docterine and"Personality Driven", for example. These people want to be "the world", but their messages distort the real message of Christianity.
This is a very important point. Thanks for suggesting it. And while I do not participate in the news media (by listening, watching or reading), I know many are avid fans of all kinds. Praying would be one way of bringing God into it. I know others have suggested reading the newspaper and reading the Bible and praying simultaneously.
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RE: What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008? - 12/27/2008 12:19:24 PM
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I'm putting this topic back up in front because organized religion took center stage this past week when Rick Warren was chosen to give the inaguational message in a couple of weeks. Since then, he has been getting a lot of flack, including the more conservative voices like Wiley Drake here in So Cal of his demonination.
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RE: What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008? - 12/27/2008 4:02:49 PM
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I'm surprised Pope Benedict's visit to the US isn't mentioned. :)
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RE: What Was The Biggest Church Stories of 2008? - 12/27/2008 5:16:15 PM
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I'm surprised Pope Benedict's visit to the US isn't mentioned. :)
Yes, I forgotten about that also.--I apologise if I left it off of the list because it was one of the biggest stories of the church too. And then again too, Ted Haggard's and his admisson and Christian singer Ray Boltz announced that he was Gay. That was very sad to the christian music community and the church.
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