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What does 9/11 Truth mean to Christians? - 12/28/2009 7:21:24 PM
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LastHarvest
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I am familiar with all of the various decision trees for working through what happened on 9/11, everything from simply accepting the official report to somehow seeing it all as a completely planned event, to the idea that maybe it did'nt happen at all (the jet crashes I mean.)
Each person is dealing with it by thinking mostly about one of these possible 'truths' and then doing something or nothing about it.
What does it mean to you as a christian if in anyway the official story of 9/11 is a lie?
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RE: What does 9/11 Truth mean to Christians? - 12/31/2009 12:25:09 AM
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I think it is a lie. So, I'd be relieved that I'm not crazy. When people were talking to 911 operators and were on floors near the fire, how am I supposed to believe that the jet fuel was so hot it melted the steel beams? Why didn't it melt all of those people? Why, if the pancake effect of the towers falling was due to the weight of the concrete falling on top of each floor, why did they fall so fast? I mean, it would take at least some time for each floor to collapse. So, I have a problem with it. I just don't have any explanation. So, I'm not sure I'd be angry if I found out officially that it was a lie. I probably wouldn't be surprised.
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RE: What does 9/11 Truth mean to Christians? - 12/31/2009 1:49:44 AM
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What does it mean to you as a christian if in anyway the official story of 9/11 is a lie?
I think the more important question is how should we as Christians form our opinion on this "controversy."
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RE: What does 9/11 Truth mean to Christians? - 12/31/2009 1:35:40 PM
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What does it mean to you as a christian if in anyway the official story of 9/11 is a lie?
I think the more important question is how should we as Christians form our opinion on this "controversy."
-Dan.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding but I don't see how our being Christian should form our opinion of this controversy. I mean, we have eyes the same as everyone else and we should be honest about what we see and what we don't see.
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RE: What does 9/11 Truth mean to Christians? - 12/31/2009 2:04:04 PM
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding but I don't see how our being Christian should form our opinion of this controversy. I mean, we have eyes the same as everyone else and we should be honest about what we see and what we don't see.
Yes, we should be honest. We should also be discerning and open and receptive to information. We should be looking for answers, not just repeating questions.
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RE: What does 9/11 Truth mean to Christians? - 12/31/2009 4:23:43 PM
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding but I don't see how our being Christian should form our opinion of this controversy. I mean, we have eyes the same as everyone else and we should be honest about what we see and what we don't see.
Yes, we should be honest. We should also be discerning and open and receptive to information. We should be looking for answers, not just repeating questions.
-Dan.
Well, as far as I can tell, we aren't going to get anything from the gov't beyond the 9/11 Report. And the more I look for answers to my questions, the more I am convinced that something is not right. And many Americans feel this way. So I think the gov't should look into it more. It seems they were so quick to just accept the word of a few who wanted to explain it away. I am not saying that there weren't terrorists involved, but the buildings came down too fast. And why did Tower 7 come down like a controlled demolition also? I read something about it being imploded for safety reasons, but how could it be done in one afternoon? Is the wiring done that quick? There are just so many things to question and the gov't is not "cooperating", lol. It's kind of like the Kennedy assasination. The Warren Commission report was the last word on the subject. And almost nobody believes that Kennedy was killed by a lone gunman. So the gov't ends up looking silly. They look silly when it comes to 9/11 because they only talk about terrorists and ignore the questions about why the buildings fell down.
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RE: What does 9/11 Truth mean to Christians? - 1/2/2010 7:43:48 PM
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What 9/11 should mean to Christians, is that it confirms what the Bible teaches that satan is, indeed, the ruler of this world we live in, (temporarily)...and our human governments on the planet are controlled by satan, and will follow evil and selfish courses of action, even if it does mean sacrificing thousands of lives to fulfill their lusts for power, money, and control.
Know the truth and it will set you free
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RE: What does 9/11 Truth mean to Christians? - 1/2/2010 8:43:58 PM
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I agree cornergas.
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RE: What does 9/11 Truth mean to Christians? - 1/29/2010 12:48:38 PM
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Metal melts at 2400 degrees. A fuel bomb can reach 4500 degrees. So a plane exploding inside a closed areacan melt steel.
Pancake theory. A high rise is supported by it's support members which distribute the weight of each floor over a large area. If excesive weight (additional floors) is placed upon it it can collaspse upon itself. It's like a house of cards. I've built very tall house of cards and have had it all fall because I didn't distribute the weight on the top floors.
In order to have a controled demolition of this magnitude you would have to cut all the support members with exposive charges placed on the support members themselves. Those members, except for maybe in the garage, are hiding by walls and other things found in a high rise. It would take months to access these support members and place explosive charges on them and then cover them back up t hid them. Each one would also need some kind of radio device connected to it. On a controled dmolition they hard wire all the charges to a central device to set them off.
I could go on but I won't. All these happening because of two planes is high likely and I have no doubt that it was the planes that caused 911.
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RE: What does 9/11 Truth mean to Christians? - 1/29/2010 4:23:53 PM
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just has to laugh at the stuff now
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RE: What does 9/11 Truth mean to Christians? - 1/31/2010 1:59:05 PM
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If pancake theory..why did the buildings fall at speed of gravity..it would have taken a lot longer, with the resistance at each floor..probably a minute at least for the collapse. Where did the massive core columns go? If pancake the core columns would be sticking up 110 floors in the air? Why did the buildings collapse straight down? If the absurd theory of jet fuel weaking the structure, it would not be uniform..and would cause a sideways collapse, and not a complete collapse..what hurled massive chunks of steel our of the towers into adjacent buildings? What pulverized the concrete in the buildings? Lots more questins to be answered by the authorities..but they refused to deal with any of this, but just promoting their weird jet fuel conspiracy theory...hmmm as a Christian it means to me satan does indeed control this world, and especially all our politicians who agreed, participated, conspired to the 9/11 attacks, and continue to coverup the real details of controlled demolition!
Know the truth and it will set you free
Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy
God bless us all!
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RE: What does 9/11 Truth mean to Christians? - 1/31/2010 2:54:45 PM
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That would be one heck of a conspiracy to cover up involving many people. The odds are-someone would talk or many would die before they were able to.
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RE: What does 9/11 Truth mean to Christians? - 1/31/2010 3:34:18 PM
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That would be one heck of a conspiracy to cover up involving many people. The odds are-someone would talk or many would die before they were able to.
You are assuming that everyone involved knew they were involved in a conspiracy. That does not have to be the case. In fact, that most certainly is not the case.
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RE: What does 9/11 Truth mean to Christians? - 2/1/2010 11:12:34 AM
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GodandGuns
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still havent seen where this affects me as a follower of Christ.
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RE: What does 9/11 Truth mean to Christians? - 2/1/2010 3:02:13 PM
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What affects you then, God_n_Guns?
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RE: What does 9/11 Truth mean to Christians? - 2/1/2010 8:30:57 PM
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If pancake theory..why did the buildings fall at speed of gravity..it would have taken a lot longer, with the resistance at each floor..probably a minute at least for the collapse. Where did the massive core columns go? If pancake the core columns would be sticking up 110 floors in the air? Why did the buildings collapse straight down? If the absurd theory of jet fuel weaking the structure, it would not be uniform..and would cause a sideways collapse, and not a complete collapse..what hurled massive chunks of steel our of the towers into adjacent buildings? What pulverized the concrete in the buildings? Lots more questins to be answered by the authorities..but they refused to deal with any of this, but just promoting their weird jet fuel conspiracy theory...hmmm as a Christian it means to me satan does indeed control this world, and especially all our politicians who agreed, participated, conspired to the 9/11 attacks, and continue to coverup the real details of controlled demolition!
Know the truth and it will set you free
Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy
God bless us all!
So, let me get this straight, the planes were not hijacked by terrorists, they were flown by the air force and the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition. The Pentagon needed remodeled but Congress did not appropriate the funds so the air force simply flew a plane into it, guaranteed remodeling money. Flight 93 then was just a fluke.
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RE: What does 9/11 Truth mean to Christians? - 2/1/2010 10:11:31 PM
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If pancake theory..why did the buildings fall at speed of gravity..it would have taken a lot longer, with the resistance at each floor..probably a minute at least for the collapse.
Why?
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Where did the massive core columns go? If pancake the core columns would be sticking up 110 floors in the air?
Why wouldn't they collapse, too?
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Why did the buildings collapse straight down? If the absurd theory of jet fuel weaking the structure, it would not be uniform..
It wasn't uniform.
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and would cause a sideways collapse, and not a complete collapse..
Why would the building fall sideways? Gravity was pulling it down, not sideways. The only reason an object tips over is because it's unbalanced AND because it's rigid. What makes you believe that a skyscraper is strong enough to remain rigid enough to tip over sideways and not crumble downward?
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What pulverized the concrete in the buildings?
A skyscraper falling on top of it.
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Well, I've been to one world fair, a picnic, and a rodeo, and that's the stupidest thing I ever heard come over a set of earphones.
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RE: What does 9/11 Truth mean to Christians? - 2/2/2010 9:15:20 AM
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GodandGuns
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What affects you then, God_n_Guns?
certainly not whether taliban struck, bush did it subliminally, or even a ufo shot it. it happened, its in the past, if it could been changed people would have done things differently
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The Medic, the unsung hero on every battlefield. It is impossible to imagine the mental/emotional trauma inside a Medic, and there is no triage for that.
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RE: What does 9/11 Truth mean to Christians? - 2/2/2010 9:21:43 AM
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What affects you then, God_n_Guns?
certainly not whether taliban struck, bush did it subliminally, or even a ufo shot it. it happened, its in the past, if it could been changed people would have done things differently
Not to mention that the man who we thought was responsible admitted he was makes the aluminum-foil-hat-club theories seem even less believable.
Paranoia is its own reward.
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RE: What does 9/11 Truth mean to Christians? - 2/18/2010 7:48:41 PM
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Ever hear of the military term "False Flag"?
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RE: What does 9/11 Truth mean to Christians? - 2/18/2010 8:22:10 PM
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Ever hear of the military term "False Flag"?
Yes but I'm uncertain as to how that pertains to this thread.
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I agree with you completely.
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