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World War III coming? - 11/22/2008 8:01:31 PM
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deliveredarling
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The following article presents us with an explanation of our current credit crisis and the solution to it.
READ IT CAREFULLY! I know it's long but please read it.
Don't post blindly here without having read it. This is scary stuff!
You financial gurus, I welcome your analysis-especially GroupW.
Read here.
Nothing we can do about it but be aware and pray hard!
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RE: World War III coming? - 11/22/2008 10:36:52 PM
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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling
The following article presents us with an explanation of our current credit crisis and the solution to it.
READ IT CAREFULLY! I know it's long but please read it.
Don't post blindly here without having read it. This is scary stuff!
You financial gurus, I welcome your analysis-especially GroupW.
Read here.
Nothing we can do about it but be aware and pray hard!
The author is correct in his claim that WWII got us out of the Great Depression.
However, WWIII in the nuclear age would probably last about thirty minutes and kill not 200 million people but several billion.
I'm a humble analyst/programmer in credit research at a bank, and nobody I've met in the banking world thinks we need WWIII right now. Wars bring about inflation and inflation brings about higher interest rates. Banks often lend at fixed rates over long periods of time and borrow on the short-term market, and higher interest rates basically mean we get clobbered. In fact when the fed lowers or raises rates, the first stock prices that get affected are those of the banks.
If we find ourselves in something as bad as the Great Depression, we will just need something that causes a fair amount of inflation to get ourselves out. That might involve an infrastructure project, a war, colonizing the moon, or landing on Mars. It doesn't necessarily have to be a war- it would just have to be something that consumes a lot of resources.
In any case, any smart politician who is aware that the US, Russia, China, England, France, Pakistan, India, Israel, and maybe Brazil have nuclear weapons would not be looking for a war.
I will say that there is a 5-10% chance of a war between the EU/US and Russia in the next 20 years, and if that happens, if either side makes it far enough to get to either Moscow or France, it could turn into a nuclear war. The most likely way the war would start is if the Russians invaded the Baltic states or Poland. IMHO, we need to avoid a repeat of appeasement and make sure that the EU can fend off an invasion of Poland or Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania.
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RE: World War III coming? - 11/23/2008 7:20:32 AM
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Thank you Blessedinnyc. I appreciate you taking the time to read it.
What concerned me the most was the talk of the petro dollar and the current mantra of attacking Iran. We have been hearing for some time now about how much of a threat Iran is. It's the repetitive conditioning that is scary!
I personally don't put it past the elites to stop at nothing...
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RE: World War III coming? - 11/23/2008 7:38:48 AM
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I glanced at the article. I am not a financial guru. However, the Bible clearly states that the Middle Eastern countries (Iraq, Iran, etc.), with Russia and China will attack Israel someday and God will protect Israel. If there is going to be a WWIII, it will be that. Have y'all noticed that Iran started their nuclear program at the time we invaded Iraq and Iraq's weapons disappeared? It is my belief they went from Iraq to Iran.
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RE: World War III coming? - 11/23/2008 12:11:53 PM
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Very interesting reading. As to WWIII, I believe it depends upon one's definition of WWIII. The article defines it as being among nations, which is the most common understanding. However, WWIII as defined by radical Islam is already upon us.
Much of the circumstance mentioned in the article could have been avoided or lessened if "We the People" would have heeded President Eisenhower's warning about the military industrial complex.
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RE: World War III coming? - 11/23/2008 3:24:47 PM
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Very interesting reading. As to WWIII, I believe it depends upon one's definition of WWIII. The article defines it as being among nations, which is the most common understanding. However, WWIII as defined by radical Islam is already upon us.
Much of the circumstance mentioned in the article could have been avoided or lessened if "We the People" would have heeded President Eisenhower's warning about the military industrial complex.
Can you please clarify what you are trying to say.
If we are moving toward WWIII, or are already involved in WWIII, how can following Eisenhower's warning about "the military industrial complex" of the 1950's have avoided, or lessened what is going on now?
The "military industrial complex" of today is far different from what it was in the 1950s because of Eisenhower's warning and because of historical events since that time-ie Viet Nam, peace marches.
Except for the Reagen era, the "military industrial complex" has done practically nothing but downsize since 1970s. That is why we are so vulnerable and unprepared now.
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RE: World War III coming? - 11/23/2008 3:34:32 PM
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WWIII will be Armageddon.
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RE: World War III coming? - 11/23/2008 4:46:27 PM
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WWIII will be Armageddon.
I think this too. This is why it is somewhat of a scary thought. People KNOW the outcome of a nuclear war. If, as the article suggests, the elite conspire to make it happen, what would the point be? Who would they then be elite over?
Certainly, they could go to an underground hide out, but what happens when it's all over? The would emerge to a decimated earth. money would not matter, "stuff" would not matter, trying to grow food and find clean water would be the utmost of priorities, I would think.
I also think it is a plausible thing to happen. People can be so blinded by gold that they can't see the reality of the situation. Power corrupts.
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RE: World War III coming? - 11/23/2008 5:47:32 PM
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Do not let your hearts be troubled, as Obama has promised to hold hands with any who wish to destroy us while standing around a camp fire and singing "Kum-Ba-Ya".
But in actuality it will probably have the same effect as our appeasement attemts with Japan in Decenber, 1941.
So go ahead and let your heart be troubled.
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RE: World War III coming? - 11/23/2008 7:14:27 PM
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Very interesting reading. As to WWIII, I believe it depends upon one's definition of WWIII. The article defines it as being among nations, which is the most common understanding. However, WWIII as defined by radical Islam is already upon us.
Much of the circumstance mentioned in the article could have been avoided or lessened if "We the People" would have heeded President Eisenhower's warning about the military industrial complex.
Can you please clarify what you are trying to say.
If we are moving toward WWIII, or are already involved in WWIII, how can following Eisenhower's warning about "the military industrial complex" of the 1950's have avoided, or lessened what is going on now?
The "military industrial complex" of today is far different from what it was in the 1950s because of Eisenhower's warning and because of historical events since that time-ie Viet Nam, peace marches.
Except for the Reagen era, the "military industrial complex" has done practically nothing but downsize since 1970s. That is why we are so vulnerable and unprepared now.
Radical Islam is at war with any and all peoples who do not subscribe to the tenets of Islam. They are at war with infidels everywhere. This is a global war but for the moment they are concentrating on nations with Islamic populations who do not go along with their brand of Islam and with the western, industialized nations.
The military industial complex is alive and well, just not as public as in the past. Military suppliers and the Pentagon are among the most ardent lobbyists in Washington. Downsized, yes but as in many cases that also translates as "leaner and meaner". The U.S. spends nearly as much of gross domestic product on military and 3/4ths of the rest of the world combined.
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RE: World War III coming? - 11/23/2008 7:31:32 PM
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WWIII will be Armageddon.
I agree
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RE: World War III coming? - 11/23/2008 8:40:55 PM
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If there is a WWIII and nuclear weapons are used then I gurantee WWIV wil be fought with sticks and stones.
Seriously though, I strongly believe God will not let that happen.
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RE: World War III coming? - 11/23/2008 8:57:40 PM
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But in actuality it will probably have the same effect as our appeasement attemts with Japan in Decenber, 1941.
We never appeased Japan. FDR made sure that we did everything possible to have them declare war on us because he had 2 Houses of Congress and a nation of over 100 million people that wanted nothing to do with any war with anyone that didn't directly involve us. The purpose of Pearl Harbor was to cripple the US fleet so that they could seize the Indonesian oilfields to feed their war machine in China. Had they simply gone after the Dutch territories without the other attacks they would have had to deal with the British and Americans at full strength.
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RE: World War III coming? - 11/23/2008 10:00:54 PM
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Didn't God promise that the world will not be destroyed a second time by water, but instead it will be destroyed by fire? Wouldn't that be a nuclear fire?
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RE: World War III coming? - 11/24/2008 12:04:06 AM
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The earth will be reformed by God, not man.
We have had two world wars without either being armegeddon. A third may not be either.
Ok, who will we fight globally? China? Russia? It seems either are unlikely in this growing global economy.
If the radical islamics really want a war..let it come. They will lose. It won't be ww3. It will be...a Gulf War, at best.
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RE: World War III coming? - 11/24/2008 12:28:27 AM
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We have had two world wars without either being armegeddon. A third may not be either.
Ok, who will we fight globally? China? Russia? It seems either are unlikely in this growing global economy.
If the radical islamics really want a war..let it come. They will lose. It won't be ww3. It will be...a Gulf War, at best.
I think in order for us to call it a world war, there need to be nuclear-armed countries who have declared war on both sides. It's possible that cooler heads might prevail at the outbreak of the war, but if our troops start getting too close to Moscow or Russia's troops start getting too close to Beijing, Paris, or Washington, expect missiles to start flying.
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RE: World War III coming? - 11/24/2008 9:19:13 AM
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Please, so far no one has started a nuclear war, or wants a nuke war. At worst some terrorist might get their hands on one and do some damage but so far, no country who has the nuke abiulity to destroy the world is contemplating it.
I doubt it would happen.
I know there are end time worshippers out there who salivate over ww3 ushering in Jesus return but lets be real here. God decides when that happens not us, or what we do.
Germany was core to the first ww's. I don't see them as a threat. Russia and china are economically tied to us so I don't see that happening. The islamics are just not big enough to create a ww.
Only some supernatural evil could start a ww now I think...though with humans and their depravity, you just never know.
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RE: World War III coming? - 11/24/2008 9:53:33 AM
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Please, so far no one has started a nuclear war, or wants a nuke war. At worst some terrorist might get their hands on one and do some damage but so far, no country who has the nuke abiulity to destroy the world is contemplating it.
I doubt it would happen.
I know there are end time worshippers out there who salivate over ww3 ushering in Jesus return but lets be real here. God decides when that happens not us, or what we do.
Germany was core to the first ww's. I don't see them as a threat. Russia and china are economically tied to us so I don't see that happening. The islamics are just not big enough to create a ww.
Only some supernatural evil could start a ww now I think...though with humans and their depravity, you just never know.
Did you read the article? It has nothing to do with radical Islam.
This is not necessarily an opinion oriented piece for people to post what they think. It is specifically about the article......
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RE: World War III coming? - 11/24/2008 12:36:42 PM
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But in actuality it will probably have the same effect as our appeasement attemts with Japan in Decenber, 1941.
We never appeased Japan. FDR made sure that we did everything possible to have them declare war on us because he had 2 Houses of Congress and a nation of over 100 million people that wanted nothing to do with any war with anyone that didn't directly involve us. The purpose of Pearl Harbor was to cripple the US fleet so that they could seize the Indonesian oilfields to feed their war machine in China. Had they simply gone after the Dutch territories without the other attacks they would have had to deal with the British and Americans at full strength.
Why do you need to throw cold water on a perfectly good myth?
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RE: World War III coming? - 11/24/2008 12:38:02 PM
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Didn't God promise that the world will not be destroyed a second time by water, but instead it will be destroyed by fire? Wouldn't that be a nuclear fire?
No, human life would most likely be terminated by a "nuclear winter".
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RE: World War III coming? - 11/24/2008 3:01:09 PM
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Germany was core to the first ww's. I don't see them as a threat. Russia and china are economically tied to us so I don't see that happening. The islamics are just not big enough to create a ww.
At present, there is a German appointed Pope in The Vatican at this time.
The economics over oil (Carmania in Nostradamus) and economic situation is written about in The Prophets: 'They will ask: Is it over money?' Also, the policy of Mabus may be central to watch concerning how the United Isle and others respond over recent events with regards to Middle East 'peace' accord.
There are other groups who have endured trials with regards to the past policies rederred by a certain undisclosed joint red and black clad tiered brotherhood. Therefore, the response by some was to form one like it called Al-Q'aeda to produce physical warfare regarding things UnHoly in societies. Rather, the Holy Scriptures of God and The Q'uran teach us to battle and fight The Good Fight Spiritually. Of course, though, there is a time for everything for We are not in The Millennium Reign of Messiah; yet. Daviyd was an Annointed warrior. Moses was ordered to order the warfare upon Canaan, and then Joshua. The Prophets and Revelation teaches Us that God's had ordained 'therefore you will have wars, plagues, and famines in varous places. There will be weather events and earthquakes, and then terrifying celestial events will occur. These are signs of the birthing pangs of The Earthly Reign of The Return of Messiah.
He will Reign for One Thousand years jointly along with those given thrones to Judge and The Martyrs and His Chosen Priests. The Prophecy concerning the earthly boundaries of worldly Israel found in the Prophecy of the law of Moses will be fulfilled at that time.
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RE: World War III coming? - 11/24/2008 8:50:59 PM
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My previous post was in response to another's, not neccesarily the op, though somewhat related.
I would like to comment on the post above this but I am afraid its not consistant with the op so..
I won't
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RE: World War III coming? - 11/25/2008 12:09:32 AM
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The economics over oil (Carmania in Nostradamus) and economic situation is written about in The Prophets: 'They will ask: Is it over money?' Also, the policy of Mabus may be central to watch concerning how the United Isle and others respond over recent events with regards to Middle East 'peace' accord.
Nostradamus claimed to practice divination (a fancy name for witchcraft) and claimed to get his information from supernatural sources other than God. If we're lucky, those supernatural sources do not have any influence on earth and are unable to communicate with humans, and Nostradamus is a phony.
In any case, when I asked my magic eight ball if WWIII would happen in my lifetime, the answer was, "NOT LIKELY." I certainly trust it more than Nostradamus; when I asked it if it was a waste of money, it answered correctly with "PROBABLY".
In all seriousness, though, I think it is very difficult to decipher Biblical prophecy with any sort of certainty (666 could refer to Nero Caesar for all we know) and I'm not going to trust any other supernatural sources, so the best I can do is look at the world and figure out the odds of another war. In all honesty, I just don't see it right now. Maybe in 20 years. Maybe if Russia gets more powerful or China needs more natural gas or Iran builds a few aircraft carriers. But not right now.
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RE: World War III coming? - 11/26/2008 9:56:42 PM
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no, ww III will not be Armageddon. The Revelation begins with symbols (stars & candlesticks), and the things in it are mostly symbolic.
Paul said Israel is not the Jews, but all believers in Christ--Israel is us.
Also, all the wicked in the world cannot fit in a spot in literal Israel.
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RE: World War III coming? - 11/26/2008 10:39:26 PM
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Israel is Israel. The Church is the Church. Israel isn't the Church, and the Church isn't Israel.
Also, it has been theorized that the entire population of the world could stand up next to each other in the state of Florida.
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