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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/22/2010 9:52:03 AM
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TheosCentric
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A pair of BBC articles;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10720924
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Gay and lesbian television portrayals criticised
Young people rarely see positive portrayals of lesbian and gay people on television, according to Stonewall.
A survey for the gay equality charity monitored more than 120 hours of programmes watched by the young.
It said gay people were mainly portrayed as promiscuous, predatory, or figures of fun.
Stonewall said homophobic bullying in schools was unsurprising when gay people were so often depicted on TV in a derogatory or demeaning way.
Continue reading the main story
The report, called Unseen on Screen, says ordinary gay people are almost invisible on the 20 programmes most watched by the young.
It says just 46 minutes out of 126 hours' output showed gay people positively and realistically.
“It's tragic that in 2010 broadcasters are still underserving young people in this way, particularly when young people themselves say they want to see real gay people's lives on TV” Ben Summerskill, Stonewall chief executive
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-10724202
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How TV's gay characters shape up
Television programmes have come under fire for failing to give positive portrayals of gay characters.
The gay equality organisation Stonewall concluded that most characters are promiscuous, predatory or figures of fun.
Here, we examine a selection of gay regulars in soap operas - the mainstay of TV drama.
TV critic Gareth McLean, who writes the Radio Times' weekly soap column, gives his assessment of each character and whether they add positive weight to the portrayal of gays on the small screen.
He says it is "pretty shoddy" that soap is the main place where we see gay people, because they tend to be "perpetually suffering or miserable".
Last italics are my own....
They've never seen Will & Grace... 
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/22/2010 3:16:24 PM
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The gay community doesn't attack the church because we don't accept their behavior... they attack the church because many gays have been treated pretty poorly by people who either represent the church (the local pastor, for example) or who use God as an excuse to hate gay people (as opposed to their sin). I personally have met half a dozen gays that been treated appalingly (going way beyond taking a stand against the sin) when they come out to the people in their lives, on religious grounds.
I have met many gays(I live in Northern California) who believe anything short of absolute acceptance is an attack on them.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/22/2010 3:25:30 PM
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Salvation is not mine to give now is it. Nor is it anyone elses in this forum.
Nothing I posted even suggested that it's yours or anyone elses... Though one would think a person would want what's best for someone they call a friend. It seems the mantra for some here is, slam the churcha and coddle the sinner, because that it what Christ appeared to do...
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Relationships are lasting affairs. When I feel a tug from the Spirit to change course in the battle I will do so. Until then I stay the path.
What battle? It appears you see a person that is willfully in rebellion against God as no different as one not... Though you don't seem to have an issue calling a spade, a spade if it be a judgemental church. Whatever that may be...
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/22/2010 3:34:14 PM
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I wonder if Jesus would have hung out with me - had I been alive then. ??
There are times that I consider myself a legalistic pharisee, completely void of love, grace and mercy. At other moments, I feel like a child that is needy and is thirsty to learn.
Regardless of me (and that random thought), I was reminded recently of how we (Christians) compare ourselves to others. I was reminded that in light of GOD'S HOLINESS, we're all 100% messed up. We all need Jesus. No exceptions. I don't care who you are. I don't care what you've done. If you've trusted in Jesus, you're trusting in HIS righteousness because you don't have anything to offer in and of yourself. We're all prostitutes, whores, homosexuals, liars, bigots, thieves, gossips, whatever - without Jesus. It doesn't matter. Everyone falls short of the glory of God and everyone needs his grace, salvation and love. Thank you, God, that you are so forgiving and erased the consequences of my sins, past, etc. And, for even forgiving me of my sins of today. Yes, I still sin. It's not pretty. But, thankfully we have God's continual love and grace.
In regards to homosexuals, I do believe that they are unfairly targeted by today's church. Obviously, many people disagree with me on this. But, that's my opinion. My reaching out to a homosexual, prostitute, proud person, gossip, student, barista - whatever - it's all the same. Everyone falls short of God's glory. AND, I don't care if some people are obvious about their sins or "lifestyle" or not. It doesn't affect my witness to them AND it doesn't affect my belief that we all need Jesus. So, if you have a gay parade or marriage OR offer your body on the street, my desire is to love you JUST THE SAME as the clean-cut, rich and good-looking guy who walks through our church doors. Everyone stands the same before God, regardless of your particular sin or history. Honestly, I have more problems with Christians than I do any non-Christian, even if these non-Christians are "blatant" in some ways. Why? Because non-Christians behave like non-Christians. As I said, I think that Christians unfairly target certain sins (those ones we find most ugly or foreign to us) with no biblical justification for such a judgment. Remember, Jesus spent time with those who were the most "ugly" to others in his day. His example should remind us all how easy it is to judge certain groups or "uglies" in society. Shame on us. And, I also believe that the church is too focussed on the specific actions and behaviors of non-Christians when the church has enough trouble within our own walls. I'll start with my problems first. I certainly need help! Each day I need some forgiveness because I'm either being selfish, lustful, greedy, unmerciful, unforgiving or proud. (That is obviously my short list!)
Thank you, Jesus.
If you wish to beat yourself up over homosexuals and the church knock yourself out, but its flat wrong to lump the church into some group of haters based on your opinion of the matter. Sorry, but it's the homosexuals themselves that care the root of their problems, not the church. The bible is clear their lifestyle choice is not compatible with that of the a follower of Christ, and that is the crux of the issue.
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/22/2010 4:01:32 PM
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Where have I coddled the sinner?
Your friends are dead in the worse way and you act as if they are fine and dandy... But, hey you are not a "hater" in their eyes...
What is your solution? Continue to berate them for their sin until they repent? Refuse to have a relationship with them until they do?
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/22/2010 4:12:27 PM
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I know of the judgmental message he received from that church and that being the reason he walked away from it. That's slamming the church as a whole? I'm sorry you take it that way.
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Your friends are dead in the worse way and you act as if they are fine and dandy... But, hey you are not a "hater" in their eyes... Why is their sin worse than yours? Besides the fact that they don't call themselves believers.
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Not all "sinners" are in clear rebellion against God. And if they are mistaken about where their urges come from, believing it is from genetic makeup rather than just plain choices, and being unbelievers, then yes. I suppose I just see it differently from you.
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From your posts I see you on the sidelines, and if one your friends is offended by a "judgemental church" it's seem the church is the problem, not your friend who isn't saved and happily lives in sin. See me as you will. It is not your Spirit I am indwelled with. That is Who I let lead me in this battle we are in.
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You posted about a "judgmental church"... Well, some folks who are Christians do have a tendency to be a bit judgmental, thinking they know more than another. I believe that was spoken about in the Word also, described as a sin as a matter of fact.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/22/2010 4:39:03 PM
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stamper_ben
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Where have I coddled the sinner?
Your friends are dead in the worse way and you act as if they are fine and dandy... But, hey you are not a "hater" in their eyes...
What is your solution? Continue to berate them for their sin until they repent? Refuse to have a relationship with them until they do?
Actually that's a very good question. One I've not seen answered in here but by a few. We have been told what doesn't work; befriending them, loving them, having a relationship with them just doesn't do it in some folks eyes. So what do we do?
I know in the case of my own mother there's nothing more I can do. She is now on the last part of her journey on this earth. She refuses to hear the Gospel. She also now suffers from dementia. My part in the battle there is done. All I can do is pray that somehow, someway there will be a chance for her salvation to happen before she breathes her last. With God that IS possible. With my friends is there still opportunity? Yes there is and I'll do what I can when I can for them to see the light and know that their lifestyle is sinful. But with the attitude that many in the church has that there are different levels of sin and some like homosexuality are worse than other such as pride, it makes it that much more difficult to get the Gospel message across.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/22/2010 5:03:30 PM
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I am condemning homosexuality and the spinning that is taking place to make it sound like a good and healthy lifestyle. Aside from the increased risk of STD, what is any more unhealthy about homosexuality than the sin of, for example, fornication among straight people? Who here is spinning any sin into making it sound "good and healthy?"
Homosexuality and fornication are both sins, therefore unhealthy, if for no other reason. Non-marital sex is a great way to contract diseases, on the non-spiritual level.
Several are spinning homosexuality (the Chicago Gay Pride Parade, and its non-participating supporters and observers) and making it sound like a good thing.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/22/2010 5:37:49 PM
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If you wish to beat yourself up over homosexuals and the church knock yourself out...
Beating myself up? For recognizing my sin and God's grace? For realizing that I'm no better than a homosexual, prostitute, liar or thief? For recognizing that I sometimes judge others? If you don't like my opinions, that's fine. But, please don't dismiss or minimize my personal walk with Christ, testimony or struggles.
1 Timothy 1:15-16
"Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on him and receive eternal life."
Romans 3:10
"What shall we conclude then? Are we any better? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin. As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;"
Romans 3:22-24
This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
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... but its flat wrong to lump the church into some group of haters based on your opinion of the matter.
As it pertains to "lumping the church into some group of haters" I would appreciate that my opinions are not distorted to say something I did NOT say. I did not refer to the church as a group of haters. My post is clear and represents MY opinion of an issue I see the church facing today. The church is facing a struggle from within. We are finding ourselves focussing on the sins of this world (and hyper-focussed on some sins) vs. on the common and ignored sins we are facing within our own walls. Is everyone in the church guilty of this? No, that's not my view. If I've stated as such, that was in error and that was not my intent. But, are there significant problems the church (as a whole) needs to address? In my opinion, YES. That's my opinion and it doesn't bother me to say it. I know that some people will disagree. Let me be clear again, I don't exclude myself from the church and these common problems. I myself have my own sin issues and find myself falling short of my own desires. That's one reason I'm very thankful for God's grace.
1 Corinthians 5:9-13
"I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside."
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/22/2010 9:13:00 PM
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I am condemning homosexuality and the spinning that is taking place to make it sound like a good and healthy lifestyle. Aside from the increased risk of STD, what is any more unhealthy about homosexuality than the sin of, for example, fornication among straight people? Who here is spinning any sin into making it sound "good and healthy?"
Homosexuality and fornication are both sins, therefore unhealthy, if for no other reason. Non-marital sex is a great way to contract diseases, on the non-spiritual level.
Several are spinning homosexuality (the Chicago Gay Pride Parade, and its non-participating supporters and observers) and making it sound like a good thing.
First of all I am not spinning ANY sin as a good thing. Yes, homosexuality and fornication are both sins that could have grave physical consequences. However gluttony, greed, slothfulness, envy and pride are sins that have the exact same spiritual consequences. Yet no one gets in a huff about those, many times not even when they are in the church. But have a gay person in the congregation and you'd think the world had ended! And it even seems that if I or anyone else dares to fellowship with a gay that we are on the verge of being accepting of that lifestyle, ready to grab a rainbow flag and march in the streets!
I'm done now. I wanted to tell the reason I brought up my mother. She's been an atheist all her life. I was born again well into my adult life. There is probably only the relationship of a marriage that is closer that a mother child relationship. So when I finally came to the realization I would not be the reason for her salvation should I cut her off the same as I am being told I should cut off a relationship with the gays I know?
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/22/2010 9:36:34 PM
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First of all I am not spinning ANY sin as a good thing. Yes, homosexuality and fornication are both sins that could have grave physical consequences. However gluttony, greed, slothfulness, envy and pride are sins that have the exact same spiritual consequences. Yet no one gets in a huff about those, many times not even when they are in the church. But have a gay person in the congregation and you'd think the world had ended! And it even seems that if I or anyone else dares to fellowship with a gay that we are on the verge of being accepting of that lifestyle, ready to grab a rainbow flag and march in the streets!
Good post, Ben.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/22/2010 10:00:30 PM
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Out of curiosity, how would it make the people here feel, if at judgment, God accepts gays into heaven 1) via his absolute forgiveness? or 2) via informing you, in plain terms, that YOU were in error and it is not a sin, for He works in mysterious ways, and nothing wrought of love is a sin?
Would that be a "Yay!" moment or not?
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/22/2010 11:04:35 PM
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Out of curiosity, how would it make the people here feel, if at judgment, God accepts gays into heaven 1) via his absolute forgiveness? or 2) via informing you, in plain terms, that YOU were in error and it is not a sin, for He works in mysterious ways, and nothing wrought of love is a sin?
Would that be a "Yay!" moment or not?
But God is not a liar, He is Truth. He has given us His word which does say homosexuality is a sin. A sin that is forgivable like all others, except for blasphemy of His Spirit.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/22/2010 11:16:21 PM
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That's ok, that's why I included option 1, and option 2 implies that your interpretation of the Truth was in error....although forgivable because we are all human.
The question still stands.
BTW: There is not even a hint of anything negative or derogatory implied AT ALL in the question.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 7/22/2010 11:59:41 PM
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2 No interpretation is necessary. Its as clear as day and night. You might as well say the 10 commandments don't mean what they say they mean.
1 is possible because David reminds us: Psalms 32:1-2 Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
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