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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/8/2010 11:00:00 AM
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Actually RC, skin color is mixed dominance. Otherwise there would be only about 4 skin tones. There are 2 sets of genes that cover skin tone, refered to as A and B. Each gene has 2 options, dark or light: A or a, B or b. Since we get one set of genes from each parent (meaning that the genes involved are not on the unequal length of the X chromosome) we have AA BB (very dark) to aa bb (extremely light) there are 16 base skintone shades.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/8/2010 12:40:58 PM
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Actually RC, skin color is mixed dominance. Otherwise there would be only about 4 skin tones. There are 2 sets of genes that cover skin tone, refered to as A and B. Each gene has 2 options, dark or light: A or a, B or b. Since we get one set of genes from each parent (meaning that the genes involved are not on the unequal length of the X chromosome) we have AA BB (very dark) to aa bb (extremely light) there are 16 base skintone shades.
i will go along with that, but do you agree on the dominace of the other things that I mentioned?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/8/2010 1:04:33 PM
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Because you can get lighter colors from darker but not the other way around. Scientifically, life began either in Africa or Middle Eastern areas where colors are darker. You move away from the sun, you get lighter, move toward it, you get darker... and that's how the races came to be after the Flood.
I would ask you to study the dominanance of genes. Dark haire and dark skin are dominant, blue eyes, blond hair, light skin are not dominant.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/8/2010 2:53:51 PM
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i will go along with that, but do you agree on the dominace of the other things that I mentioned? Sorry RC but I have not read up on the genes and dominance of hair color et al. I cannot say one way or the other.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/8/2010 6:51:14 PM
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However, we don't need a degree in genetics to know that judging someone based on their race is wrong.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/11/2010 11:41:49 PM
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I will admit I haven't had the time to read through all 85 pages, but I wanted to put this out there if it hasn't been said. There is a simple biological reason for various skin colors. Those races that live in warm climates with a lot of sun exposure usually have dark skin to protect them from skin cancers and the harmful affects of the sun's rays. Most of the blond and light skinned races are from colder climates where sun exposure is not such a problem.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/12/2010 4:23:34 AM
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Happy Loving Day for all my fellow U.S residents!
Three cheers for people forming loving, life long commitments with whoever they want as long as they are both consenting adults!!!
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/12/2010 12:51:53 PM
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That's right, no matter what our races, a lifelong commitment under God's guidelines is always pleasing in His sight. Be it black husband and white wife, asian wife and hispanic husband, or purple husband and plaid wife.
(edited to say I am skilled in the subtleties of conversation)
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/24/2010 1:34:16 PM
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Amen!!!! Let's all win folk for Christ and overcome racism with the LOVE of GOD!!! 
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2010 12:24:50 PM
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The Bible says God created man. Adam the first man, and the woman from Adam called Eve. Because of this, there is no such thing as a race of people. The word races, can mean different things to different people. In the end we are all traced back to Adam and Eve.
Sure racial issues exist. But people don't think it through enough to fully realize that we are all descendants from Adam and Eve. So how can a Christian be prejudice to anyone because of the outside appearance of the color of someone's skin? We cannot when we're all related.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/2/2010 9:32:41 AM
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You are right, Tim. It really doesn't make sense for us to decide a person's "worthiness" based on the color of their skin. Man looks at the outward appearance but God looks on the heart. And I think anyone who actually cares about the context of that verse sees that is means we SHOULDN'T be judging by outward appearance (though I have seen some people actually justify it it using that verse - crazy).
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/15/2010 11:34:50 AM
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/22/2010 2:19:12 PM
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Prior to 1865 black people were forced to do farm labor as slaves. But not after that. And I doubt seriously your dad was around prior to 1865.
*My great grand father \(born 1820) worked as a blacksmith and as a farmer in NC(he also helped build a local black church) -- he owned around 300 acres of land in what is now called Catawba County much of it was bought prior to 1865 - he was married twice, his first wife was black, they had children and she died; he re-married and had children by his second wife, a white woman. I have done lots of research on my family/relatives in NC... much of the land great-granddad owned is still in the family. Lots of local history has been written about landowners in NC (Catawba County area especially) I have found the authors of said books remained silent about my great-granddad and the fact he owned land prior to 1865 in NC (Lincoln/Catawba county). When I went to the hall of records/land deeds etc.. I asked them about him and I was told blacks didn't own property and they were slaves during the time of my great granddad's era... OK-- then I checked the census he was listed on there with his parents, however neither of them were slaves? Blacksmith/farmer/housewife - yes. They lived on family land.
Great granddad was born in 1820.. his parents would of been born in the later part of the 1780's (due to their ages given at the time of the census.)
My cousin's daughter has the large painting of great grandfather on her living-room wall and he is nicely dressed and sitting in a chair from that time period.
According to all that I was taught in school about slavery and racism during that time doesn't <click> with the proof that my family has about our forefathers.
My own father was born in 1899 (my mother married a much, much older man.) As a young man he was offered the opportunity to marry a respectable white farmer's daughter -- he was favored by her and her dad approached him about the matter of joining two well established old families of good reputation etc... So if racism was so bad why would a southern farmer knowingly want to marry his daughter into a black family? If the majority of the people in the area were racists/KKK? It wouldn't make sense. So there must of been a time in some areas of the South when relationships between black and white were good... at least that is my thinking based on my own family research and proof to support that finding.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/22/2010 7:59:11 PM
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jaime, that is so fascinating. I think things are not nearly as simplistic as we've been taught in our schools. There is no denying slavery, racism, and abuse. But there is a problem with over-generalizing, for sure.
I read a book a few years ago that described the author's family history, which was in part slavery in the old south. One of her forefathers was a white man, heir to a large plantation, who refused to marry any white woman his father presented to him, and instead ran away with his lover and the mother of his children who was a black slave. They moved up to the city where we lived--and settled as a biracial family raising biracial children in a neighborhood that was integrated, mostly black free-men and Germans. Try to put that one in a box! (And sadly, that mixed neighborhood has devolved into a crime and gang-ridden pit of despair  )
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/23/2010 3:29:23 PM
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That's why I'm a little perturbed about our President making a blanket comment about the Founding Fathers. All of them did not own slaves and John Quincy Adams was behind getting the Amistad slaves free. Racism has been around since the division at Babel. You have people of compassion and people of ignorance in every form. It is a result of the fall and we as the redeemed need to uphold LOVE as the standard.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/26/2010 12:14:38 PM
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Being white doesn't automatically mean you're a racist.
Being non-white doesn't automatically mean you're not a racist.
Anyone can be racist in their thinking, actions, motivations, etc.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/27/2010 7:51:40 AM
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My dad tried to raise me to think in a color-blind manner. Then I moved to an area where people made sure I knew that they were a "color". It annoyed me no end since I wanted to treat them like a person, not part of a people group.
My father's family came from Finland. I used to get mildly puzzled that my people group doesn't get a special holiday or week on the calendar. Then again, I have never been to Finland and I only have learned a little bit about the history and lifestyle there. Just like some groups that claim that they are ________ americans and yet noone in their family has been there in a few generations. (fill in the blank with any people group)
I agree with doinkdom, that the Us against Them issue has been with us than farther back than any of us can measure. There are parts of the world where they have been fighting for decades and I can't tell the sides apart by just looking at them.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/30/2010 4:42:17 PM
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Being white doesn't automatically mean you're a racist.
Being non-white doesn't automatically mean you're not a racist.
Anyone can be racist in their thinking, actions, motivations, etc.
Very well said. I think the inter-connectedness of the modern world has helped a whole lot, but I think we are too fresh from segregated times to have a whole lot of progression in racism. Kinda like after a nuclear attack there is period of fallout. Just 2 generations back there was segregation and a lot of those people (both the racist/victims of racism) are still around today. It's one thing to read from a book that doesn't carry emotions, just facts, and it's another to hear it from a live witness with all their preserved emotions. Hopefully things will continue to change and improve as the world becomes more connected.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/31/2010 3:21:13 PM
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Honestly, I think it has more to do with embracing colors & cultures than it does with trying to be "blind" to them. We mostly fear what we don't understand. It's all about what we've been exposed to or, more importantly, what cultures we've made an attempt to study or understand.
For an example, I grew up in rural Pennsylvania. Didn't even have a Black friend until 6th grade, because everyone who lived near me was white. Now I'm dating a lovely Latina girl who's mixed with some Asian roots. It's going very well, and the idea that the potential children (should we end up getting married) would be mixed does not bother me. Some people adjust to new cultures, some react. We should be patient in understanding what is new for some folks as they're exposed to new things or cultures, but that's not excusing hateful reactions. I'm not saying everyone has to LOVE what each culture does, but we should at least be understanding and loving toward the people Jesus died for.
In the end, we're all one race. Human. The only colors we should be mindful of are black, red and white, because Christ's blood is necessary to cleanse us all from our condemnation in sin.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/2/2010 7:05:49 PM
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Honestly, I think it has more to do with embracing colors & cultures than it does with trying to be "blind" to them. We mostly fear what we don't understand. It's all about what we've been exposed to or, more importantly, what cultures we've made an attempt to study or understand.
For an example, I grew up in rural Pennsylvania. Didn't even have a Black friend until 6th grade, because everyone who lived near me was white. Now I'm dating a lovely Latina girl who's mixed with some Asian roots. It's going very well, and the idea that the potential children (should we end up getting married) would be mixed does not bother me. Some people adjust to new cultures, some react. We should be patient in understanding what is new for some folks as they're exposed to new things or cultures, but that's not excusing hateful reactions. I'm not saying everyone has to LOVE what each culture does, but we should at least be understanding and loving toward the people Jesus died for.
In the end, we're all one race. Human. The only colors we should be mindful of are black, red and white, because Christ's blood is necessary to cleanse us all from our condemnation in sin.
AMEN!!!! I grew up and currently live in inner city L.A., which was predominantly Black growing up with a sprinkle of Latin culture. Now it's pretty much the reverse. In 4th grade, I was signed up for a Magnet Program where I encountered Whites and Asians for the first time. Since then, I've gone to schools through college that were a mixture of cultures. Thank God for being exposed to different churches and people groups! It's made me a better person with a worldwide view of reaching the lost and preparing for a multicultural Heaven spoken of in Revelation!
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/5/2010 1:29:55 AM
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A friend of mine recently pointed out to me that I needed to change my mind about racial issues, more specifically inter-racial relationships. I used to be in an interracial, but Christian, long term relationship years ago. I am Indian, and my boyfriend at the time was white. We were together for more than 2 years and finally the relationship dissolved for a variety of reasons, but I know a huge piece of that was because of racial/cultural differences. I think what is missing in this discussion is understanding that culture can be intensely tied to race. As in, Indian race=Indian culture. It's almost impossible to separate, and after that experience I decided that dating interracially was wrong and can't work because of those differences. My parents didn't like him, and his parents didn't like me and that isn't exactly how you'd want to ever start out a future marriage, is it?
I don't think "ugh, look at that black/white, asian/white, asian/blac, indian/white couple how awful" or anything like that when I see a couple. What I DO think is how they'll come across a host of issues because of their racial differences, and how those issues will continue to be compounded because of the underlying cultural issues that surely exist. I think we all need to realize that these issues aren't cut and dry like we'd want to think of them as; the complexities involved with race and culture and varied.
I also see no Biblical basis for interracial marriages either. I know many people cite that Moses was apparently married to an Ethiopian woman or something along those lines, but that can easily be refuted as well. Then there's the whole Tower of Babel, and if God really wanted everyone to eventually meld into one people, the people wouldn't have been scattered around the world. And it also begs the question of whether or not God wants cultures to lose their purity-- as crazy as this sounds, I kind of see where white nationalists are coming from at times when they talk about racial segregation, because it would allow cultures to retain their identities. I hear countless of times as a tutor working in inner-city libraries about how parents who are immigrants are frustrated with their children not knowing their cultural identities and dating outside of their race. After all, don't groups of people have a right to survive? What would be so wrong about wanting to preserve your bloodline, say if you were Asian, German, or Hispanic? What is exactly 'wrong' about doing that as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/5/2010 8:24:58 AM
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Lea, I think first of all it is important to separate personal preference from law-making. If you prefer to marry within your culture yourself, that's fine. I am sorry you had a bad experience, but there are plenty of people who have had the opposite experience. But proclamations that cross-cultural marriage is wrong or sinful is heading towards legalism. God forbad the Hebrews from marrying outside their faith not their race.
I'm curious how you would refute Moses marrying an Ethiopian (Cushite). Whatever she was, it wasn't Hebrew. So cross-culture, even if you don't think she was black. Not only did Boaz marry outside of the Hebrew culture, he married a hated Moabite and God blessed them to be part of Jesus' lineage.
If you want to marry within your culture, there is no Biblical reason not to. However, there is also no Biblical foundation for xenophobia, nationalism, racism, notions of racial superiority, or seperatism among Christians. And there is no sin in an African Christian marrying an Asian Christian, or any other combination.
Furthermore, while we can enjoy culture, appreciate it, and hang on to cultural values that match Biblical values, it is the Bible that must be pre-eminent in our lives, not culture. eg: If the culture says a woman can be beaten by her husband, it doesn't matter how much he loves his culture, a Christian man will reject that part of his culture. Two people from very different cultures can have very successful marriages if they put Christ above culture. Each will have to let go of some unBiblical cultural norms in order to do this, and it can be a struggle, but it is entirely possible.
In terms of Indian culture particularly, the founder of Gospel for Asia is Indian, and married a white woman (German descent, I believe). They have been married for decades, and ministering together for decades. They seem to have found it perfectly reasonable to marry across cultural barriers, and obviously the both of them have laid aside many things, including some pieces of each culture, in order to have Christ at the forefront of their lives.
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