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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 3/1/2010 3:15:55 PM
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cow451
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The Pentagon was so poorly protected it is a shame...those tricky attackers, are so more intelligent than U.S. military minds, and defence systems. they circumvented all the best American has to offer in their trillion dollars defense..and just waltzed right in and seized commercial airplanes and flew them into three our of four targets..no problem for those Al Queida or Taliban or whatever...these people are smart...the US is no match for these people...especially that skinny boogey man living in the cave..someplace in Afghanistan..now there is someone who can plan, direct, and ensure those attacks on America went like clockwork..wow..America should hire him..he would be a very valuable asset..oh wait a minute he apparently is already a CIA asset for many years..well hot doggey..who would have thunk it?
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Another well-reasoned, well-researched response.  That said, I agree it does make sense to question how these guys pulled off 9/11.
Here's one analysis of why they succeeded:
Al-Qaida's successful elimination of the Twin Towers, part of the Pentagon, four jetliners, and nearly 3,000 innocent lives makes the terror group seem, in hindsight, diabolically brilliant. But when you review how close the terrorists came to being exposed by U.S. intelligence, 9/11 doesn't look like an ingenious plan that succeeded because of shrewd planning. It looks like a stupid plan that succeeded through sheer dumb luck.
Link s to the series of Slate articles that look at why another 9/11 hasn't happened.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 3/1/2010 3:28:22 PM
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I am glad you agree...keep reading and you will see the light!
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 3/1/2010 3:39:46 PM
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I am glad you agree...keep reading and you will see the light!
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Worship the Son of God-not the sun god
Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy!
So, if I keep reading, I will conclude that a Cruise missile stuffed with people painted like an airliner crashed into the Pentagon and the Israeli Intelligence service (Massod) remote-piloted two airliners into the Twin Towers, which they had earlier planted with nanoThermite (painted on elevator shafts by agents posing as elevator repairmen)? or was it the CIA remote-piloting the jets and Massod sent the Cruise missile into the Pentagon after diverting the real airliner to a secret base where the passengers were injected with a paralytic agent and the "flight attendants" smothered them with pillows?
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 3/1/2010 8:40:28 PM
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No...u missed the point..those nineteen Arabs, must have worked magic..for sure to pilot 767 aircraft and 757 like the government says..wow they could not qualify on small Cessnas etc, but get them at the controls of a jumbo, and they fly it like fighter pilots..that is what the government conspiracy theory says, they are far more intelligent than Americans..as these same Arabs, were able to defeat all the air defence systems in the eastern USA not a problem..and hit their targets with 75 percent accuracy.. ten out of nineteen perished..(maybe) Oh I forgot there are still 8 or 9 walking around.. even after that suicide mission of 9/11..wow.That these Arabs were able to do all that, like the government says ...What a conspiracy theory that is!! I can just see Rumsfeld sitting with his tin foil hat waiting for that missile oops plane to strike the Pentagon!
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 3/2/2010 10:41:05 AM
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No...u missed the point..those nineteen Arabs, must have worked magic..for sure to pilot 767 aircraft and 757 like the government says..wow they could not qualify on small Cessnas etc, but get them at the controls of a jumbo, and they fly it like fighter pilots..that is what the government conspiracy theory says, they are far more intelligent than Americans..as these same Arabs, were able to defeat all the air defence systems in the eastern USA not a problem..and hit their targets with 75 percent accuracy.. ten out of nineteen perished..(maybe) Oh I forgot there are still 8 or 9 walking around.. even after that suicide mission of 9/11..wow.That these Arabs were able to do all that, like the government says ...What a conspiracy theory that is!! I can just see Rumsfeld sitting with his tin foil hat waiting for that missile oops plane to strike the Pentagon!
Not much of a mystery there. Most of the skill in flying those large jets is required in taking off (which they left to the airlines) and in landing (which they weren't concerned about). Once it was in the air, they mostly needed to aim them at their target. Even I could manage that much.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 3/2/2010 11:04:33 AM
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No...u missed the point..those nineteen Arabs, must have worked magic..for sure to pilot 767 aircraft and 757 like the government says..wow they could not qualify on small Cessnas etc, but get them at the controls of a jumbo, and they fly it like fighter pilots..that is what the government conspiracy theory says, they are far more intelligent than Americans..as these same Arabs, were able to defeat all the air defence systems in the eastern USA not a problem..and hit their targets with 75 percent accuracy.. ten out of nineteen perished..(maybe) Oh I forgot there are still 8 or 9 walking around.. even after that suicide mission of 9/11..wow.That these Arabs were able to do all that, like the government says ...What a conspiracy theory that is!! I can just see Rumsfeld sitting with his tin foil hat waiting for that missile oops plane to strike the Pentagon!
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Do you have proof that there are 8 or 9 still walking around? I'm just wondering because I have heard that before. And if there are pictures of them can they be sure it's really them?
I have a problem with the buildings falling exactly like an implosion. However, I am not into some theory that Bush was in cahoots with Bin Laden since the two families are friends. That is just too far-fetched for me. I just can't see Bin Laden sending his men to their deaths to please an American president. I do think the building was wired because prior to it's sale, the previous owner, the Port Authority wanted to demolish it because they were not able to rent much space and had a problem with asbestos. Therefore, if it happened to be wired and terrorists flew planes into it, what a financial windfall for the new owner but a catastrophe for everyone else.
As far as the Pentagon, I don't see any wreckage of a plane, only debris. So that does make me suspicious. The video camera stops at the moment when the "plane" hit and then shows fire in the Pentagon. So, I haven't really seen proof that a plane flew into it. But, what happened to the people on the missing plane, Barbara Olsen and others? Perhaps it was shot down somewhere? Why not just say it crashed like they said about the one they shot down in Pennsylvania? Why bother making it look like the Pentagon was attacked, for drama? It's all very confusing and the various theories don't connect all of the dots. But maybe I'm too impatient.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 3/11/2010 5:27:10 AM
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why doesnt someone, who's representing america, just take Dubya on to the Maury show or a lie detector test? :D
i'm going to weigh in with a different approach. i have no knowledge on any conspiracy theory except for what i read in this thread. i have not read any links provided, watched any videos mentioned, or talked to anyone in my life who agrees with the truth movement... but even i can come up with a few plans myself (they may not work out... but any idea has a 50 % chance of working...)
as far as detonations rigging.... say in the mid 90s one man. ONE MAN. just one man, is told he is to go to the us/mexican border. and round up 150 illegal's crossing. and promise them wealth, and amnesty, to work for him. he doesnt tell them what they will do, just they will have meals, lodging, and heck... even women. lol. now i don't know... but i'm just guessing with all the illegals we get each day on that border... how many do you suspect NEVER communicate with their original families again? i'd say atleast 150. they come to america, get jobs, and lose touch with relatives. they have no SS# here, so they are practically ghosts. anyway this one man rounds up his 150 men, and takes them to some place somewhere. this ONE MAN. trains them on EVERYTHING that is domolition. (i dunno. he was a professor with a doctorate? who cares. the guy just knows everything) and has several years to do this. meanwhile paying the mex'can's money that is kept in a savings acct, not to be withdrawn from until 2002. (he has set this up with them already, as a contract.) looked at it like a cult. like a jim jones type thing. they have lodging, they get food, and they are all going to school to learn a trade that they are promised will benefit them when they 'graduate' upon graduation, this ONE MAN. poses as a director of a telecommunications firm. and sets up for these 150 men to be shuttled to WTC every weekend for x amount of time. i dont know how well the WTC area is patrolled on teh weekend. i've never been there. i'm just envisioning a ghost town besides cleaning people. im probably wrong though. anyway. we have the mex'cans do it on teh weekend where they can tear up the walls and re-spackle without anyone knowing. and as far as the cleaning people... they can be illegal's contracted by this guy too... who knows. anyway september 11th comes... all the illegal's are shuttled to undisclosed location, gassed, shredded, and burned. no fuss, no muss. =)
all that done by 1 man. of course he has a boss... but that entire operation could be done by one man... especially dealing with gullible illegals.
as for the rocket/bomb/missile whatever. thats easy to explain. a missile hits the pentagon, the actual plane crashes into the atlantic. lets just say the there was a gas chamber added to that plane everyone is dead. shark food. and a few days later a cleanup crew of, say 5 guys goes to get that and shred all the big evidence of teh plane and scrap it.
so theres 6 guys with 3 parts of the plan already.
as said previously. i dont subscribe to any theory... its just fun to point out litlle what if's and stuff. and i just made all this up as i typed. but think of how much more concise a plan would be if it was.... actually PLANNED and not just made up on a whim.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 3/15/2010 3:21:04 PM
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cow451
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why doesnt someone, who's representing america, just take Dubya on to the Maury show or a lie detector test? :D
i'm going to weigh in with a different approach. i have no knowledge on any conspiracy theory except for what i read in this thread. i have not read any links provided, watched any videos mentioned, or talked to anyone in my life who agrees with the truth movement... but even i can come up with a few plans myself (they may not work out... but any idea has a 50 % chance of working...)
as far as detonations rigging.... say in the mid 90s one man. ONE MAN. just one man, is told he is to go to the us/mexican border. and round up 150 illegal's crossing. and promise them wealth, and amnesty, to work for him. he doesnt tell them what they will do, just they will have meals, lodging, and heck... even women. lol. now i don't know... but i'm just guessing with all the illegals we get each day on that border... how many do you suspect NEVER communicate with their original families again? i'd say atleast 150. they come to america, get jobs, and lose touch with relatives. they have no SS# here, so they are practically ghosts. anyway this one man rounds up his 150 men, and takes them to some place somewhere. this ONE MAN. trains them on EVERYTHING that is domolition. (i dunno. he was a professor with a doctorate? who cares. the guy just knows everything) and has several years to do this. meanwhile paying the mex'can's money that is kept in a savings acct, not to be withdrawn from until 2002. (he has set this up with them already, as a contract.) looked at it like a cult. like a jim jones type thing. they have lodging, they get food, and they are all going to school to learn a trade that they are promised will benefit them when they 'graduate' upon graduation, this ONE MAN. poses as a director of a telecommunications firm. and sets up for these 150 men to be shuttled to WTC every weekend for x amount of time. i dont know how well the WTC area is patrolled on teh weekend. i've never been there. i'm just envisioning a ghost town besides cleaning people. im probably wrong though. anyway. we have the mex'cans do it on teh weekend where they can tear up the walls and re-spackle without anyone knowing. and as far as the cleaning people... they can be illegal's contracted by this guy too... who knows. anyway september 11th comes... all the illegal's are shuttled to undisclosed location, gassed, shredded, and burned. no fuss, no muss. =)
all that done by 1 man. of course he has a boss... but that entire operation could be done by one man... especially dealing with gullible illegals.
as for the rocket/bomb/missile whatever. thats easy to explain. a missile hits the pentagon, the actual plane crashes into the atlantic. lets just say the there was a gas chamber added to that plane everyone is dead. shark food. and a few days later a cleanup crew of, say 5 guys goes to get that and shred all the big evidence of teh plane and scrap it.
so theres 6 guys with 3 parts of the plan already.
as said previously. i dont subscribe to any theory... its just fun to point out litlle what if's and stuff. and i just made all this up as i typed. but think of how much more concise a plan would be if it was.... actually PLANNED and not just made up on a whim.
You might as well start a website and call yourself "Maury Watchers for Truth". You would then be just as credible as many of the Truthers.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 3/16/2010 12:47:31 PM
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http://www.ae911truth.org/
There is a 13 part video on Youtube by Richard Gage that lays it all out pretty clear. Now here is the real problem.
1) Assume we believe that we witnessed controlled demolitions on 9/11
2) Understand then that such demolitions cannot be rigged up in an afternoon
3) Imply therefore that the demolition at least was planned of WTC 1,2 and 7
4) Conclude that the planes either did not hit the towers or the incident was planned
So where to from here? Does the rabbit hole get any deeper?
Let's examine what we think we saw.
If we follow those points above, we probably think we saw a force acting through several very high ranking people in several governments and sectors of the world economy to a) destroy evidence in WTC 7 that would have lead to very ugly implications concerning late 90's Wall Street b) provide a pretext for the subsequent invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq and a never ending war on terror c) remove two very aging and unhealthy buildings from the lucrative Manhattan landscape and, here is the biggest one of all d) assert that this power can do whatever it pleases whenever it pleases.
In short, this is just a conjecture remember, 9/11 was the coming out party for the Antichrist. He has not revealed his identity to the world yet but in a short number of years a deepening global financial crisis, alot of work behind the scenes by elitists and power brokers, and a war in the Middle East that threatens to bring all the major powers into nuclear conflict will set the stage for his appearance.
Anyone buying this? I hope someone tears it apart because right now I think the enormity of the 9/11 massacre, how it was perpetrated in broad daylight, the complete disregard for all facets of human life and society and how it required so much collusion on so many levels indicates that darkness has indeed crept back into the forests of the world. The ring has awakened, it has heard its master's call. I'm not trying to be juvenile with those LOTR references either. 9/11 is not just another terrorists attack, 9/11 is a message that the church needs to understand and heed. It is not about Islamic terrorism as much as it is about a greater union between powerful humans and Satan himself.
I hope I'm not scaring anyone too much. Our greatest hope is in Christ, greater is He that is in us than he that is in the world. Read Psalm 91 if you need some comfort. It will help.
God bless.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 3/16/2010 12:53:54 PM
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The evidence (which is clearly presented in Gage's 'Blueprint for Truth') is clear the buildings could not have come down due to the impacts of the planes, especially WTC7. The evidence in every way confirms the theory of a controlled demolition. Once you accept that you have to know that these things cannot be set up quickly, therefore the entire thing was planned. It is an audacity that only the Antichrist would be capable of. Consider also the odd coincidences surrounding 07/07/07 the British 9/11 and you will see the fingerprint again of someone or something that can now take life almost at will and spins the governments of the world and the deluded masses like marionettes on a string. God is still is still on the throne, but we know what Revelation teaches about the end times. Many in Christian circles are hypothesizing that the Antichrist is waiting in the wings, I think the times corroborate that in every way.
Some of you might find this book interesting, 'Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technotronic Era' Zbigniew Brzezinski (1970).
[You can download it in .pdf and .txt from scribd.com]
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 3/16/2010 2:51:56 PM
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The evidence (which is clearly presented in Gage's 'Blueprint for Truth') is clear the buildings could not have come down due to the impacts of the planes, especially WTC7. The evidence in every way confirms the theory of a controlled demolition. Once you accept that you have to know that these things cannot be set up quickly, therefore the entire thing was planned. It is an audacity that only the Antichrist would be capable of. Consider also the odd coincidences surrounding 07/07/07 the British 9/11 and you will see the fingerprint again of someone or something that can now take life almost at will and spins the governments of the world and the deluded masses like marionettes on a string. God is still is still on the throne, but we know what Revelation teaches about the end times. Many in Christian circles are hypothesizing that the Antichrist is waiting in the wings, I think the times corroborate that in every way.
Some of you might find this book interesting, 'Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technotronic Era' Zbigniew Brzezinski (1970).
[You can download it in .pdf and .txt from scribd.com]
Aside from the Antichrist silliness-- who is it this year? --- Gage is a former architect, now full-time fund-raiser for one Truther group. He, and his group are out of their element to even present the "evidence" they purport to prove controlled demolition.
The linchpin of the AE911Truth presentation is a list of characteristic features of controlled demolition. Gage presents this list and then compares features of the WTC collapses to the list. At the end of the presentation, Gage checks each off and thus demonstrates that the WTC collapses had to be controlled demolitions because they meet all of these criteria while demonstrating none of the features of a collapse due to fire.
However, Gage possesses no credible authority for presenting such a list. He is an architect, not a demolition expert. Since it's evident that he's simply drawn the list up based on things he believes he can observe in the collapses, the list is actually an example of the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy.For example, Gage has changed the list based on whether he believes he can demonstrate the characteristic. This was done recently when Gage admitted that he could not prove the existence of "squibs" in the collapse of 7 World Trade. Instead of recognizing the collapse of his argument, Gage changed the list for 7 World Trade to eliminate the "squibs" feature.
Indeed, the current version of the slides presents a list of CD characteristic features, changes it for 7 World Trade, and then changes it even more substantially for the Towers. Richard Gage cannot win even when he stacks the deck himself!
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 3/16/2010 3:26:26 PM
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Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
Richard Gage being synonymous with Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth makes me wonder if he thinks of himself in the plural or if there really is a cadre of architects and structural engineers who dispute the government's reports.
I suspect he's just one more sad Pied Piper a'la Kent Hovid who is selling selective science.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 3/16/2010 4:06:30 PM
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(Redirected from Richard Gage (architect))
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
Richard Gage being synonymous with Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth makes me wonder if he thinks of himself in the plural or if there really is a cadre of architects and structural engineers who dispute the government's reports.
I suspect he's just one more sad Pied Piper a'la Kent Hovid who is selling selective science.
Yup. Hope he pays his taxes.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 3/16/2010 4:51:22 PM
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It does not take a rocket scientist to understand that what you see is what you saw. The buildings were demolished when they should not have been. As for your tone concerning the Antichrist I'm not sure its something to take lightly, Paul did'nt.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 3/16/2010 5:53:23 PM
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No...u missed the point..those nineteen Arabs, must have worked magic..for sure to pilot 767 aircraft and 757 like the government says..wow they could not qualify on small Cessnas etc, but get them at the controls of a jumbo, and they fly it like fighter pilots..that is what the government conspiracy theory says, they are far more intelligent than Americans..as these same Arabs, were able to defeat all the air defence systems in the eastern USA not a problem..and hit their targets with 75 percent accuracy.. ten out of nineteen perished..(maybe) Oh I forgot there are still 8 or 9 walking around.. even after that suicide mission of 9/11..wow.That these Arabs were able to do all that, like the government says ...What a conspiracy theory that is!! I can just see Rumsfeld sitting with his tin foil hat waiting for that missile oops plane to strike the Pentagon!
Know the truth and it will set you free
Worship the Son of God-not the sun god
Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy!
You are right, the average joe cannot take control of an airliner 200 miles from New York and then easily turn it around and get it on a path to New York. New York is a big city but if you are off in your navigation by one degree you end up somewhere in the Catskills. The level of sophistication was high and the ability to hit 3 of 4 targets including the very low trajectory to the Pentagon, well... then you have the idea that none of the early reports made sense. Some of them claimed the planes were going 500 miles per hour which is impossible at that altitude. It is clear from the visible evidence the building were purposefully collapsed. It strains probability to believe that the demolition had been planned (including WTC7) which made it simply convenient to pull the buildings when oops those pesky al qaida smashed some planes into them. The section of the Pentagon that was hit was also of significance so the randomness theory just does not hold.
This is not a political issue, which is the angle some who come against Gage and others are saying. They are not just left wingers with a grudge if that is what they are. They have seen the compelling arguments and are not willing to sit down and shut up. We need more people like this if America is ever again to have a chance at being free.
God bless.
The hijackers may be alive. How do we know for sure? That would add a new twist to the story but I agree it seems very unlikely.
It won't be long before the truth of the times will be seen by all people, even those who prefer to live in denial.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 3/16/2010 6:27:42 PM
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It does not take a rocket scientist to understand that what you see is what you saw. The buildings were demolished when they should not have been. As for your tone concerning the Antichrist I'm not sure its something to take lightly, Paul did'nt.
And you would place your observation as being more credible than experts that studied the forensic evidence? Videotapes are one piece of evidence. gage has already been nailed on the fact he doctored the audio on the video he presented.
BTW, Paul never mentioned Antichrist. perhaps you meant John.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 3/16/2010 6:45:31 PM
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It does not take a rocket scientist to understand that what you see is what you saw. The buildings were demolished when they should not have been. As for your tone concerning the Antichrist I'm not sure its something to take lightly, Paul did'nt.
And you would place your observation as being more credible than experts that studied the forensic evidence? Videotapes are one piece of evidence. gage has already been nailed on the fact he doctored the audio on the video he presented.
BTW, Paul never mentioned Antichrist. perhaps you meant John.
Perhaps I meant 2 Thessalonians chapter 2. The experts were not allowed to study the forensic evidence it was almost all destroyed before they could. I do happen to have a degree in mathematics and physics so trying to play the 'your not as expert as the experts I choose to believe' card won't work with me. Free fall speeds are not attained by buildings that have to overcome their own engineering in the process. Those buildings should not have collapsed. The evidence is plain and those who are willing to admit it are not going to keep quiet about it.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 3/16/2010 7:21:43 PM
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It does not take a rocket scientist to understand that what you see is what you saw. The buildings were demolished when they should not have been. As for your tone concerning the Antichrist I'm not sure its something to take lightly, Paul did'nt.
And you would place your observation as being more credible than experts that studied the forensic evidence? Videotapes are one piece of evidence. gage has already been nailed on the fact he doctored the audio on the video he presented.
BTW, Paul never mentioned Antichrist. perhaps you meant John.
Perhaps I meant 2 Thessalonians chapter 2. The experts were not allowed to study the forensic evidence it was almost all destroyed before they could. I do happen to have a degree in mathematics and physics so trying to play the 'your not as expert as the experts I choose to believe' card won't work with me. Free fall speeds are not attained by buildings that have to overcome their own engineering in the process. Those buildings should not have collapsed. The evidence is plain and those who are willing to admit it are not going to keep quiet about it.
Oh, you mean the Son of Perdition, then. Is it still Obama? Or the Pope? Prince Charles, perhaps?
IDN, I'll take my experts over you.
But version 5 added a whole new level of slapstick to this vaudeville act. The same slide is present (now labeled "near" freefall), but it's preceded by an interesting little video. Someone had plotted out the corner of 7 World Trade as it fell. The results appeared to show that WTC 7 fell unresisted at a speed of 10 m/s-squared, just a hair faster than gravity!
In other words, Gage first shows that the building fell faster than freefall speeds and then goes on to show that the building fell slower than freefall speed.
By the way, Gage is on video from late April still saying that 7 World Trade fell at 6.5 seconds, the time it takes to sink behind the other buildings. Amazing.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 3/16/2010 8:31:54 PM
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It does not take a rocket scientist to understand that what you see is what you saw. The buildings were demolished when they should not have been. As for your tone concerning the Antichrist I'm not sure its something to take lightly, Paul did'nt.
And you would place your observation as being more credible than experts that studied the forensic evidence? Videotapes are one piece of evidence. gage has already been nailed on the fact he doctored the audio on the video he presented.
BTW, Paul never mentioned Antichrist. perhaps you meant John.
Perhaps I meant 2 Thessalonians chapter 2. The experts were not allowed to study the forensic evidence it was almost all destroyed before they could. I do happen to have a degree in mathematics and physics so trying to play the 'your not as expert as the experts I choose to believe' card won't work with me. Free fall speeds are not attained by buildings that have to overcome their own engineering in the process. Those buildings should not have collapsed. The evidence is plain and those who are willing to admit it are not going to keep quiet about it.
Oh, you mean the Son of Perdition, then. Is it still Obama? Or the Pope? Prince Charles, perhaps?
IDN, I'll take my experts over you.
But version 5 added a whole new level of slapstick to this vaudeville act. The same slide is present (now labeled "near" freefall), but it's preceded by an interesting little video. Someone had plotted out the corner of 7 World Trade as it fell. The results appeared to show that WTC 7 fell unresisted at a speed of 10 m/s-squared, just a hair faster than gravity!
In other words, Gage first shows that the building fell faster than freefall speeds and then goes on to show that the building fell slower than freefall speed.
By the way, Gage is on video from late April still saying that 7 World Trade fell at 6.5 seconds, the time it takes to sink behind the other buildings. Amazing.
George Bush wanted to let gynecologists everywhere practice their love with women, so what's your point about gaff's and other such things. Facts are facts and the line fit to data could produce an overestimate of the acceleration due to gravity (9.8 m/s^2) but then the standard error explains that pretty well. I'm not sure what you hope to gain by arguing with me on the subject. My thesis utilized multivariate statistics to categorize living things using the sounds they emit (non-parametric discriminant models). Your experts, whoever they are, are not so far past me that I cannot understand their arguments or lack thereof. BTW the tone in your posted attacks on Mr. Gage are clearly not professional critiques, but aimed at shaming him and others into silence.
Is it your belief that the Son of Perdition and the Antichrist are two different people? Do you believe the biblical prophecies? Maybe we should start there. Anyways, I will continue to speak clearly and openly to the fact that the buildings WTC 1, 2 and 7 should not have fallen based upon the damage they sustained and so will a growing chorus of millions of others, including Jesse Ventura, Steve Jones,... me (did I mention that I intend to keep talking about this everywhere and all the time.) The numbers keep growing. What happens if the whole nation starts to wake up and realize they were lied to? It could get uncomfortable for both political parties.
Let me make sure I am clearly understood. WTC 1,2 and 7 were demolished purposefully using explosives planted before the attacks. Now we just have to determine what that really means in terms of our Nation and what our options are for dealing with it.
BTW it is still the case that the NSA is eavesdropping on the Internet and phones and several lawsuits aimed at forcing companies like AT&T to cease and desist their support of the program have run into state secrets type roadblocks. Ie claimants read documents that prove they were under illegal surveillence and then in court the government refused to hand over the incriminating evidence claiming state secrets privilege. Is'nt that nice. Your constitutional rights are yours as long as the government you elected says they are. This house of cards cannot stand for much longer.
I'm not sure who the PTB think they are fooling because from what I see the percentage of people still in sleep mode is getting lower each day. We are all pretty much aware that our government thinks it can violate all of our constitutonal rights whenever it wants to in the name of national security or economic prosperity for the 1/2 of 1% who inhabit the penthouses of the world. Denial or even active disinformation and even suppression won't stop the landslide that is coming.
Quarantining people will not hold up either because the Lord is the one who advocates for the oppressed. This really is not a matter of religion as much as it is a matter of where this nation is in its relationship with the Lord of the Universe. We have embraced sin and it gave birth to 9/11. So instead of truly turning to God we started torturing people to death in secret prisons who had not been convicted of a crime. The Lord is not going to pat us on the back for that, if anything our actions since 9/11 have confirmed the judgment it envisioned. Many prophecies are now given and more come every day, the Lord of heaven has begun to judge the wayward American nation, and He is not through yet.
The day of judgment is at hand and I predict that in response Americans will repent, but America will attack all its perceived enemies within and without with ever colder malice and intent, because after all the government has a right to continue, on behalf of the people of course.
The eyes of the Lord are in every place keeping watch on the wicked and the just. Of what greater condemnation shall we be worthy of if we neglect so great a salvation. Store up treasure in heaven.... we could go on and on and on making the case from scripture that America is on a collision course with the Almighty.
God bless.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 3/16/2010 8:37:05 PM
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It does not take a rocket scientist to understand that what you see is what you saw. The buildings were demolished when they should not have been. As for your tone concerning the Antichrist I'm not sure its something to take lightly, Paul did'nt.
And you would place your observation as being more credible than experts that studied the forensic evidence? Videotapes are one piece of evidence. gage has already been nailed on the fact he doctored the audio on the video he presented.
BTW, Paul never mentioned Antichrist. perhaps you meant John.
I do admit that changing the speed of the video would allow one to find a building that fell almost at the speed of sound but this of course would be absurd. Acouple seconds however would probably not be noticed by the casul viewing public. Still, we do have to be careful not to take anyone's supposed arguments without proper scrutiny.
The case on whether the buildings should have fallen in the way they did is already closed. Now comes the difficult road to deciding what has to be done about it and through what channels. Time is not on our side either because the further we get in time from the incident the less clear the events will start to become. The next ten years is when broad public support has to be found for a real investigation.
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