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Women and Romance Expectations - 2/11/2010 11:26:25 AM
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When Your Heart Longs to be Romanced Cindi McMenamin - When God Pursues a Woman's Heart Let me guess. You are a woman who doesn't look forward to Valentine's Day! Whether you are single and without a special someone in your life, or married and tired of being disappointed from unmet expectations on the "Day of Romance," you are not alone. Surveys show that countless women feel frustrated every year and let down on February 14th primarily because of unmet expectations. Women look for expressions of love that will meet their preconceived romantic notions. And many times, even well-intentioned men can't possibly compete. In a recent study of what makes married women happy, it was found that the biggest predictor of women's happiness is their husband's emotional engagement. The extent to which he is affectionate, to which he is empathetic, to which he is basically tuned into his wife was the most important factor in predicting the wife's happiness. The study also found "if the wife had to choose between having a husband who is taking half the housework and having a husband who is really making a conscious, deliberate effort to focus emotionally on his wife, the emotional focus is much more likely to be a paramount concern." That speaks volumes of what women want and expect. And men, who tend to be more action-oriented in how they show their love (by helping with the chores, repairing the garage door, and bringing home a paycheck) can miss the mark with us when it comes to trying to express their affections on Valentine's Day, or any time, for that matter. That said, fulfilling a woman's idea of romance is not something most men, in particular, specialize in. In fact, many men struggle with how to convey their feelings in a way that their wives or girlfriends will understand and appreciate. And often times, what they think will impress you, doesn't. Read the rest of When Your Heart Longs to be Romanced Do you place a high expectation on your loved one to romance you? What is the most romantic thing someone has ever done for you?
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RE: Women and Romance Expectations - 2/11/2010 12:20:19 PM
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Do you place a high expectation on your loved one to romance you? What is the most romantic thing someone has ever done for you? I don't know if my expectation is "high" but, yes, I do want to be romanced. I don't care for flowers, but I want my husband to be tuned into me. If I have had a bad day, I want to tell him about it without being interrupted. I want him to say "I love you" for no reason. While he is out running errands, I like it when he stops and gets my favorite coffee drink. The most romantic? Planning our special 25th anniversary trip. Giving up birthday and Christmas presents to be able to afford it.
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RE: Women and Romance Expectations - 2/11/2010 2:44:19 PM
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Wow, another article that screams at us women about having expectations of our husbands that we shouldn't have, that we should just look to Jesus to get our emotional needs filled. Men get let off the hook again, and its the woman's fault if we are disappointed. I really tire of this mindset.
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RE: Women and Romance Expectations - 2/11/2010 2:58:46 PM
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Of course not. It's all our fault. Whatever it is.
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RE: Women and Romance Expectations - 2/11/2010 3:02:03 PM
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Isn't the reason we get married is because we meet each others emotional needs? Why does it get to stop once we are married? I should say why do the men get to stop it once we get married?
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RE: Women and Romance Expectations - 2/11/2010 3:46:42 PM
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wow...talk about people misinterpreting what the article was about! No wonder people have a stereotype of women as seeing themselves as victims. I think women get disappointed in romance because they fail to communicate what they really want/need to their husbands. We expect our men to be able to read our minds...and they never have been able to, nor will they ever be able to. With that in mind, when they DO fail us (and they will, because they are human) we DO need to keep our eyes on the big picture...that we are loved beyond all reason by God, and even our unromantic mates. No where did it way women were failing...but rather gave a way out of feeling resentful (but it COULD have gone farther into encouraging women to COMMUNICATE these needs to their men....). That said...Valentine's day...well. I have a different opinion of it then most. It is ST. Valentine's Day..and it is about remembering someone who was faithful unto DEATH for his GOD. Not much romance there.....I just can't get worked up romantically over a day where a man was burned at the stake for his faith. But as far as the rest of the questions. Yeah...I have been let down romantically....its a fact of life. My hubby, while great, is NOT perfect. Doesn't mean that I don't complain to him or let him know I need more...but I also know his heart. He loves me. I can choose to hold it against him, or communicate my needs to him. What he does with that after that is on him. I am blessed in that he does try very hard to meet my needs....and will ask what I want/need, etc. He has also made note of the things I have said over the years...and he surprises me with those things. The most romantic thing he has ever done? wow...how do I choose. Maybe when he takes the time to make cards for me, writing the poem himself, even though , as a rule, he is not into poetry. Knowing that he spent the time to write me something from HIS heart and put the struggle into making a poem...means the world to me. That and the time he found a poem that said all he wanted to say to me, even though it wasn't written by him, and had it framed with flowers, for me to keep on my dresser...... Or the fact that he worked 5 years in a horrible factory, and then 5 years in another horrible factory to support us and our first 3 children, while never complaining? Romance is what you make it out to be.....regardless.
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RE: Women and Romance Expectations - 2/11/2010 3:51:13 PM
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That said...Valentine's day...well. I have a different opinion of it then most. It is ST. Valentine's Day..and it is about remembering someone who was faithful unto DEATH for his GOD. Not much romance there..... True that! quote:
Romance is what you make it out to be.....regardless. And that too! ETA: In terms of physical expectations about romance (gifts, candles, flowers), that's all purely cultural. I do think women and men have messed up expectations of each other based on culture, family of origin, past experience, etc, and that does cause conflict between couples. Valentines Day might be a day that highlights the expectations women have, while other things highlight men's expectations (say, the "wieght gain" threads, for instance ). My husband didn't "romance" me to "catch" me. He's all about simplicity and honesty and practicality. He gave me flowers once, but that was only on the strong suggestion of the missionary he worked with and he told me so. He couldn't for the life of him understand why that would be significant or demonstrate love. "Flowers wilt". I *do* expect to be loved and cherished. I no longer expect that his expressions of those things *must* come in the form of cards, poetry, chocolate, jewelry, flowers, or weekend getaways. Most romantic thing? Nothing I could list would fit a Western concept of "romance". My husband has lived his whole life since we married in a self-sacrificing way in order to care for us. And even though he does not emote much at all, he goes out of his way and out of his comfort zone to try to give me what I need emotionally, or to do something for me that he thinks would make me happy or that I would like. -that he hugs me when I'm crying even when it makes him incredibly uncomfortable, I find romantic -that for 4 years he got up at 3.30 am to work a job that wasn't his dream so that I could be with our babies, I find romantic. -that he buys me comfy, practical shoes on mother's day and has our sons present them to me, I find romantic. -that when he sees me struggling or ill he sacrifices 3/4 of a days wages in order to take us out to eat at the Chinese buffet, I find romantic. -that he calls my stretchmarks "badges of honor" and loves me no matter what shape my body is in, I find romantic.
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RE: Women and Romance Expectations - 2/11/2010 4:26:59 PM
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when you read the thread: Click Here you can see that some ladies see love in the seemingly small things our men do.
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RE: Women and Romance Expectations - 2/11/2010 4:42:48 PM
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ORIGINAL: W.O.F. wow...talk about people misinterpreting what the article was about! No wonder people have a stereotype of women as seeing themselves as victims. I think women get disappointed in romance because they fail to communicate what they really want/need to their husbands. We expect our men to be able to read our minds...and they never have been able to, nor will they ever be able to. With that in mind, when they DO fail us (and they will, because they are human) we DO need to keep our eyes on the big picture...that we are loved beyond all reason by God, and even our unromantic mates. No where did it way women were failing...but rather gave a way out of feeling resentful (but it COULD have gone farther into encouraging women to COMMUNICATE these needs to their men....). That said...Valentine's day...well. I have a different opinion of it then most. It is ST. Valentine's Day..and it is about remembering someone who was faithful unto DEATH for his GOD. Not much romance there.....I just can't get worked up romantically over a day where a man was burned at the stake for his faith. But as far as the rest of the questions. Yeah...I have been let down romantically....its a fact of life. My hubby, while great, is NOT perfect. Doesn't mean that I don't complain to him or let him know I need more...but I also know his heart. He loves me. I can choose to hold it against him, or communicate my needs to him. What he does with that after that is on him. I am blessed in that he does try very hard to meet my needs....and will ask what I want/need, etc. He has also made note of the things I have said over the years...and he surprises me with those things. The most romantic thing he has ever done? wow...how do I choose. Maybe when he takes the time to make cards for me, writing the poem himself, even though , as a rule, he is not into poetry. Knowing that he spent the time to write me something from HIS heart and put the struggle into making a poem...means the world to me. That and the time he found a poem that said all he wanted to say to me, even though it wasn't written by him, and had it framed with flowers, for me to keep on my dresser...... Or the fact that he worked 5 years in a horrible factory, and then 5 years in another horrible factory to support us and our first 3 children, while never complaining? Romance is what you make it out to be.....regardless. Yes, we do see ourselves as victims. Victims of a church that tells us almost everything that is wrong, bad, unreasonable in a marriage is our fault. The article was about woman having unmet expectations. In my life, most of the time I have said anything about my husband not meeting my needs, it was my fault because I had 'expectations' of him. So I ask, where are all the articles on how to romance your wife? How about all the articles on husbands having no expectations of the wife and letting her off the hook for everything? Don't see a whole lot of those. I don't understand the point of writing this type of article, then saying we shouldn't expect it. Kind of seems like a bait and switch.
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RE: Women and Romance Expectations - 2/11/2010 5:20:25 PM
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When Your Heart Longs to be Romanced Cindi McMenamin - When God Pursues a Woman's Heart Let me guess. You are a woman who doesn't look forward to Valentine's Day! Whether you are single and without a special someone in your life, or married and tired of being disappointed from unmet expectations on the "Day of Romance," you are not alone. Surveys show that countless women feel frustrated every year and let down on February 14th primarily because of unmet expectations. Women look for expressions of love that will meet their preconceived romantic notions. And many times, even well-intentioned men can't possibly compete. In a recent study of what makes married women happy, it was found that the biggest predictor of women's happiness is their husband's emotional engagement. The extent to which he is affectionate, to which he is empathetic, to which he is basically tuned into his wife was the most important factor in predicting the wife's happiness. The study also found "if the wife had to choose between having a husband who is taking half the housework and having a husband who is really making a conscious, deliberate effort to focus emotionally on his wife, the emotional focus is much more likely to be a paramount concern." That speaks volumes of what women want and expect. And men, who tend to be more action-oriented in how they show their love (by helping with the chores, repairing the garage door, and bringing home a paycheck) can miss the mark with us when it comes to trying to express their affections on Valentine's Day, or any time, for that matter. That said, fulfilling a woman's idea of romance is not something most men, in particular, specialize in. In fact, many men struggle with how to convey their feelings in a way that their wives or girlfriends will understand and appreciate. And often times, what they think will impress you, doesn't. Read the rest of When Your Heart Longs to be Romanced Do you place a high expectation on your loved one to romance you? What is the most romantic thing someone has ever done for you? The thing that "romances" me the most is for my husband to stay emotionally connected to me. I most definitely expect that. The first V-Day my DH and I had (we had been dating about 5 months), I told him not to worry about a gift (we were both students and only able to work part-time). He surprised me with a "picnic" on the living room floor of his apt, a movie (which later became "our" movie) and 2 CDs of love songs he'd burned for me. For me, romance isn't about the gifts, it's about the consideration.
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RE: Women and Romance Expectations - 2/11/2010 5:26:24 PM
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ORIGINAL: W.O.F. wow...talk about people misinterpreting what the article was about! No wonder people have a stereotype of women as seeing themselves as victims. I think women get disappointed in romance because they fail to communicate what they really want/need to their husbands. We expect our men to be able to read our minds...and they never have been able to, nor will they ever be able to. With that in mind, when they DO fail us (and they will, because they are human) we DO need to keep our eyes on the big picture...that we are loved beyond all reason by God, and even our unromantic mates. No where did it way women were failing...but rather gave a way out of feeling resentful (but it COULD have gone farther into encouraging women to COMMUNICATE these needs to their men....). That said...Valentine's day...well. I have a different opinion of it then most. It is ST. Valentine's Day..and it is about remembering someone who was faithful unto DEATH for his GOD. Not much romance there.....I just can't get worked up romantically over a day where a man was burned at the stake for his faith. But as far as the rest of the questions. Yeah...I have been let down romantically....its a fact of life. My hubby, while great, is NOT perfect. Doesn't mean that I don't complain to him or let him know I need more...but I also know his heart. He loves me. I can choose to hold it against him, or communicate my needs to him. What he does with that after that is on him. I am blessed in that he does try very hard to meet my needs....and will ask what I want/need, etc. He has also made note of the things I have said over the years...and he surprises me with those things. The most romantic thing he has ever done? wow...how do I choose. Maybe when he takes the time to make cards for me, writing the poem himself, even though , as a rule, he is not into poetry. Knowing that he spent the time to write me something from HIS heart and put the struggle into making a poem...means the world to me. That and the time he found a poem that said all he wanted to say to me, even though it wasn't written by him, and had it framed with flowers, for me to keep on my dresser...... Or the fact that he worked 5 years in a horrible factory, and then 5 years in another horrible factory to support us and our first 3 children, while never complaining? Romance is what you make it out to be.....regardless. Yes, we do see ourselves as victims. Victims of a church that tells us almost everything that is wrong, bad, unreasonable in a marriage is our fault. The article was about woman having unmet expectations. In my life, most of the time I have said anything about my husband not meeting my needs, it was my fault because I had 'expectations' of him. So I ask, where are all the articles on how to romance your wife? How about all the articles on husbands having no expectations of the wife and letting her off the hook for everything? Don't see a whole lot of those. I don't understand the point of writing this type of article, then saying we shouldn't expect it. Kind of seems like a bait and switch. I agree totally! Husbands most definitely have an obligation to understand and meet the needs of their wives. Emotional and otherwise. Just like wives have an obligation to do the same. The church (in many cases) has pulled that old submission thing to keep us quiet and feeling as though we're bad to even express our feelings. I remember going with my family to a church on Mother's Day (I was about 14 or 15 at the time) and hearing the pastor do a sermon on just how BAD mothers were! Yep. He laid the sin of unsaved/unruly children, broken homes, bad marriages and discontented husbands squarely on the shoulders of the ladies in the congregation. More than one woman was in tears before it was over. Not one single man stood up to him for his completely heartless, totally inappropriate sermon. Not even my dad. My mother didn't set foot inside a church again for several years. I don't blame her, either.
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RE: Women and Romance Expectations - 2/11/2010 5:28:40 PM
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ORIGINAL: car2ner when you read the thread: http://forums.crosswalk.com/What_has_your_husband_done_lately_that_just_made_you_melt%25%25%25/m_2991357/mpage_20/tm.htm#4746322 you can see that some ladies see love in the seemingly small things our men do. Absolutely! Small things definitely matter. Every time DH pays the bills (I hate doing that); washes dishes or takes out the trash without asking..... those things matter because he's doing it to make my life easier.
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RE: Women and Romance Expectations - 2/11/2010 6:07:14 PM
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But what if this year you took the man in your life off the hook? What if this year you focused not on your expectations or the disappointment that the "Day of Romance" tends to bring, but on the Author of Romance, Himself, and what He's been trying to show you day in and day out about how cherished you are in His sight? In other words, what if this year you looked to God to meet your expectations first and then let the man in your life (if you have one) do what he can and see it as an added bonus? Her words which I bolded say exactly that, to let them off the hook and have no expectations. I'm sorry but Jesus isn't going to come down off the throne and take me to dinner or buy me roses or rub my back. I want my Husband to cherish me, like the Bible tells him too.
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RE: Women and Romance Expectations - 2/11/2010 7:30:46 PM
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Yes, we do see ourselves as victims. Victims of a church that tells us almost everything that is wrong, bad, unreasonable in a marriage is our fault. The article was about woman having unmet expectations. In my life, most of the time I have said anything about my husband not meeting my needs, it was my fault because I had 'expectations' of him. So I ask, where are all the articles on how to romance your wife? How about all the articles on husbands having no expectations of the wife and letting her off the hook for everything? Don't see a whole lot of those. I don't understand the point of writing this type of article, then saying we shouldn't expect it. Kind of seems like a bait and switch. What happened in your life to cause such bitterness? I really, really, despise it when somebody blames the "church" for their problems. The word "church" is a NT word used to depict the body of Christ. If you have a beef with a particular pastor, author, or organization, that's fine. However, you are way off base in blaming the "church." My pastor and my church has given more messages over the last 12 years about husbands loving their wives than about wives submitting to their husbands. In fact, I can't remember one "submit" message. For all those wanting your husband to "cherish" you......Are you happy with him loving you in his own way, or in just the way YOU want to be loved. Have you told him about your expectations? Our husbands can't read minds. So yes, if you have expectations that aren't being met, you need to tell him. How is that anybody else's fault, but your own? I don't think God miraculously created men to read minds. Finally, do you respect your husbands as commanded in the Bible? My husband and I really enjoyed the book "Love and Respect". I would recommend it for all who feel let-down in their expectations.
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RE: Women and Romance Expectations - 2/11/2010 7:41:00 PM
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All I was trying to say is that from what I myself often see is that if a woman is unhappy or disappointed or whatever with her husband it always comes down to us having to lower our expectations, which in turn lets the men off the hook. I went through this, I tried this, and he got worse and left, so maybe I am bitter. I'm not necessarily speaking of cultural issues or certain holidays, but a general tone I see a whole lot in the church and on the net. Again I will ask if we shouldn't expect to get our emotional needs met from our spouse then why bother getting married?
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RE: Women and Romance Expectations - 2/11/2010 8:46:48 PM
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Again I will ask if we shouldn't expect to get our emotional needs met from our spouse then why bother getting married? To love, to be a companion, to represent Christ and the Church, to raise children for Christ. Husbands and wives are commanded to love each other. How that plays out will be unique to each couple. But if we rely on humans to fully meet our needs, we will be constantly disappointed. God is the ultimate need-meet-er and we do need to look to him first. It is not bad for husbands and wives to seek to meet each other's needs. It is very good. We should try. But we can also very easily slip into laying way too much on the shoulders of a human being, and there are times when "emotional needs" is kind of an iffy subject and they aren't always necessarily healthy. Spouses are commanded by God to love, and that self-sacrificially. But emotional needs do often get intertwined with culturally induced wants. Men get roundly (and rightly) beaten around the heads here for ridiculous ideas about women maintaining a static level of culturally defined beauty come heck or high water (or kids and hormones). Women's expectations tend to be somewhat different, but that doesn't mean clinging to them until our fingernails are bloody is our right, or even good for us. quote:
All I was trying to say is that from what I myself often see is that if a woman is unhappy or disappointed or whatever with her husband it always comes down to us having to lower our expectations, which in turn lets the men off the hook. When men speak to men, I also see the same thing told to them. That their expectations are too high (for beauty, for sex, for thinking the way they do, whatever) and that they need to lay off and love their wife whether she meets all their needs or not. Did you read those articles I linked? Directed at men? Telling them to romance their wives, and how, and that it doesn't matter if they don't really feel like it, because it's not about them? All of the people I can think of who publically encourage women to love their husbands (big ones would be, oh, Dr. Laura, Focus on the Family, Family Life, New Life Ministries), be understanding, and shift their expectations also publically encourage husbands to love their wives, be understanding, and shift their expectations. To my ears, they do it in a very balanced way, and often are harder on men than on women. It is a mutual requirement. But honestly it would be ridiculous if every article or interview had to include a long, placating disclaimer along the lines of "Now I'm speaking to men and this message is intended for men, but don't you ladies take this to mean you can force your man to do this" or "Now I'm speaking to women, and my message is directed at women, but you men better behave yourselves!"
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RE: Women and Romance Expectations - 2/11/2010 10:07:57 PM
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Men get roundly (and rightly) beaten around the heads here for ridiculous ideas about women maintaining a static level of culturally defined beauty come heck or high water (or kids and hormones). I wanted to highlight that quote so it didn't get lost in the longer post. If we are going to hold men to a high standard of low expectations and realistic ideas, shouldn't we abide by the same low expectations? quote:
Again I will ask if we shouldn't expect to get our emotional needs met from our spouse then why bother getting married? I don't think you will every find somebody to completely fulfill all your emotional needs all the time. I got married for love, friendship, and companionship. So that I could meet the needs of another person. Something that my husband and I struggled with early on in our marriage is that I expected him to be the main source of my happiness, and to automatically guess what I needed or expected. On those days that I was tired and didn't feel like cooking dinner, I expected him to understand that I wanted to be taken out, not only that I was tired. I would say "I am tired and don't feel like cooking dinner." So he would say, "That's fine, I can just eat cereal." Then I would get upset because that was NOT what I wanted - and it was not fair to him. How was he suppose to know that those were code words for "Hey babe - take me out and make me feel loved."
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RE: Women and Romance Expectations - 2/11/2010 10:49:02 PM
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I guess I'm to old, but I think they make up to much of articles like this. You hear how your 'man' won't know if you don't tell them. I suppose he could learn to ask when it comes to things like this. I mean dahhh - common sense needs to be applied at times! I say that because I could hear my H stating that. He would tell the guys DID you even ask her, or just wait for the bomb to drop! lol and if there are all those articles out there on how to romance your wife as they say as well? I guess they need to read them? MAYBE they aren't or something if this is such a huge issue. Are their people in life that don't place effort into things they know would mean alot to their spouses? Yes. Should they attempt to place some effort there? If they want a good relationship they will. If they say they do, and then ignore times to make their spouse feel special purposely? They talk outside both sides of their mouth, and have a major heart issue. One day a year won't kill anyone (man or woman), and people do the romance THEIR way...that doesn't always mean flowers, candy or expensive gifts. It means what is special to the couple. My father always made a big fuss on Valentines. SURE he romanced mom, and he had a small box of chocolates for us kids! It did wonders for the family dynamic all the way around! Mom had her mushy side as well, but Dad was the major romance person in our home! It worked for them! We go for a nice dinner, and give each other a candy bar with a card. Is it expecting to much for your spouse to place some effort forward? I hardly think so. I have to admit if a husband doesn't grasp that his wife would like to make the day special? He is either living under a rock NOT paying attention to life, or truly dense. Personally? I don't think most men 'don't get it', and I think most men do make that effort. I think people just seem to think downer articles will sell more webspace or something.
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RE: Women and Romance Expectations - 2/11/2010 11:22:45 PM
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ORIGINAL: Grace71 All I was trying to say is that from what I myself often see is that if a woman is unhappy or disappointed or whatever with her husband it always comes down to us having to lower our expectations, which in turn lets the men off the hook. I went through this, I tried this, and he got worse and left, so maybe I am bitter. I'm not necessarily speaking of cultural issues or certain holidays, but a general tone I see a whole lot in the church and on the net. Again I will ask if we shouldn't expect to get our emotional needs met from our spouse then why bother getting married? Okay you do get some emotional needs met in marriage, and YES if no one did they wouldn't bother! I think MOST people can be honest about that FACT! I think we all know a human can't do that 100% of the time, and when you hear stories of pure neglect and they use the only rely on God line? Personally I don't think God would wish to be used as a excuse not to deal with it. I have seen that written all over the place, and it would just be nicer to say they are clueless on how to help instead. To me being just as clueless shows more grace towards the person. lol Heck if people are clueless as you are - at least you have a place to start working on something. When they say lean on God - the conversation has pretty much ended. Are their circumstances in which that is your best option - lean on God? We all know there ARE! Do I see to messages asking others to lower their expectations when its clear the other needs to bring them up? Yep! Again - if they just admitted they were clueless as you were - it least it would sound more compassionate than lower your expectations. Is there the opposite happening when someone is expecting to much? Heck YES! lol I don't see it more on one gender or the other to be honest! When people can't get real with their advice, but are to busy making it sound good and religious? They leave people hanging, and they just think it sounds great! When you have to bring things up only in a certain manner to be heard? If you don't you get nic picked to death? Its so not helpful, because most people aren't going to even listen to good parts if you tick them off! I think alot of these articles honestly completely miss the 'be balanced' part. Either that or they are trying to address 10 different balls of wax when they need to be addressed separately. Tee Hee! maybe they are using to much webspace, and that is why they don't do it that way! I just read a story of the internet RUNNING out of space so I had to throw that in there! If the article is to Pollyanna for you - take what is good and dump the rest. It wasn't all bad, but it wasn't the best article on the subject either.
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RE: Women and Romance Expectations - 2/12/2010 5:21:13 AM
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ORIGINAL: Fritzpw_Admin 1. Do you place a high expectation on your loved one to romance you? 2. What is the most romantic thing someone has ever done for you? 1. No, I don't think my expectations are high. I expect flowers and a dinner date because that's what we usually do. When we can afford it he will surprise me with a beautiful piece of jewelry. He always gives lovely gifts whether it's jewelry or chocolates and a stuffed animal. He's just thoughtful like that. He knows what I like and he enjoys spoiling me. But the most important thing is that he's emotionally tuned in to me. I really love that about him. Now that's the most romantic gift ever. 2. As far as more material gifts go.... I'll have to think about that for a minute. For our first anniversary he surprised me with a trip to Vegas (where we got married). And on our first Christmas he showered me with gifts. LOL That was certainly a Christmas to remember. I like the effort he puts into his gift giving. It's obvious he does things because he wants to make me happy, not because it's a special day he's *supposed* to give me something for. But really, like I said before, the most romantic gifts are more intangible ones like being tuned in to me emotionally, loving me unconditionally, being a servant leader, putting others first (with me at the top of the list), thinking I'm beautiful even when I'm lookin' a little ragged around the edges. LOL
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