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RE: Maybe God is cleaning house. - 3/11/2010 9:58:34 AM
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SteelCurtain
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If you have never been a part of a pastoral led church then you cannot comment on how it is run.
Yes I have. But whether I have or not, I should still be able to comment on it because of the clear teachings of the word. I've never been a part of the J.W.s either but I have studied the subject and Know enough to steer clear of the local kingdom hall.LoL! Know what I mean.
That tends to be the problem as you have said...'pastor led'. Spirit led through all the 'parts' is what God wants. He doesn't need a mediator between Him and His own. God keep ya.
So, I'm assuming your experience was a bad one? Comparing the J.W.'s to a pastoral led church is a stretch, in my opinion.
You're stuck on the word, "led" and going down a rabbit trail here. David was a shepherd of his flock, in essence his sheep were "shepherd led". Even your "movement" or whatever you are a part of has some sort of leadership, even if you are looking to your elders for leadership, there is still leadership. A "pastoral led" church simply implies that there is some sort of leadership structure and does not imply for one minute that this pastor is not Spirit led. A good, Godly pastor is led of the Spirit.
The Bible tells us to "do things decently and in order" and I realize this is speaking to the church service and specifically the gifts of the spirit. Leadership can and will get in the way of the moving of the Holy Spirit within a church service. However, to have no leadership leaves the whole church in a state of chaos. Everyone is their own boss and simply does what they want to do. I see no order in that.
Again, you like your structure and I like mine. As long as we are winning people to Christ and discipling them to be fully devote followers of Christ then we're in essence on the same team.
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RE: Maybe God is cleaning house. - 3/11/2010 4:15:52 PM
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So, I'm assuming your experience was a bad one? Comparing the J.W.'s to a pastoral led church is a stretch, in my opinion.
You're stuck on the word, "led" and going down a rabbit trail here. David was a shepherd of his flock, in essence his sheep were "shepherd led". Even your "movement" or whatever you are a part of has some sort of leadership, even if you are looking to your elders for leadership, there is still leadership. A "pastoral led" church simply implies that there is some sort of leadership structure and does not imply for one minute that this pastor is not Spirit led. A good, Godly pastor is led of the Spirit.
I'm not stuck on one word 'led'. I'm sorry that you misread me again. And I wasn't comparing god's body with the J.W.'s. I simply said that I have had no experience with them yet by study I see they are wrong.
I already laid out the function of elders and the function of ALL body parts. I don't know what else to say. I disagree that if we patterned after 1cor.12 that it would be nothing but chaos. I believe you say that because you are not grasping what I am saying. I believe with one man in control, the chaos and damage is already in play. God bless.
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RE: Maybe God is cleaning house. - 3/11/2010 4:17:10 PM
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rolling
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And it's not my structure. I did not write 1Cor.12. Thank God. I would have messed it good LoL.
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RE: Maybe God is cleaning house. - 3/12/2010 1:44:52 PM
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SteelCurtain
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ORIGINAL: rolling
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So, I'm assuming your experience was a bad one? Comparing the J.W.'s to a pastoral led church is a stretch, in my opinion.
You're stuck on the word, "led" and going down a rabbit trail here. David was a shepherd of his flock, in essence his sheep were "shepherd led". Even your "movement" or whatever you are a part of has some sort of leadership, even if you are looking to your elders for leadership, there is still leadership. A "pastoral led" church simply implies that there is some sort of leadership structure and does not imply for one minute that this pastor is not Spirit led. A good, Godly pastor is led of the Spirit.
I'm not stuck on one word 'led'. I'm sorry that you misread me again. And I wasn't comparing god's body with the J.W.'s. I simply said that I have had no experience with them yet by study I see they are wrong.
I already laid out the function of elders and the function of ALL body parts. I don't know what else to say. I disagree that if we patterned after 1cor.12 that it would be nothing but chaos. I believe you say that because you are not grasping what I am saying. I believe with one man in control, the chaos and damage is already in play. God bless.
Well, again, you use the word "control" and I understand your fear. However, in my experience, I have not had any issues with a pastoral led church and feel like the system has worked very well. But, with a predominately elder driven board here I would expect to be in the minority. Good luck in your church/body.
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